Why Did The Vatican Remove 14 Books From The Bible in 1684?


The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception. Aside from literally committing acts of outright genocide several centuries ago against the Cathars, to sexually abusing children in more modern times, it is certainly one of the most corrupt organizations in history.

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In the year 1611 the Bible was translated from Latin into English. Back then the Bible contained a total of 80 books and the last 14 books, which today have been excluded, made up the end of the Old Testament and were as follows:

  • 1 Esdras
  • 2 Esdras
  • Tobit
  • Judith
  • The rest of Esther
  • The Wisdom of Solomon
  • Ecclesiasticus
  • Baruch with the epistle Jeremiah
  • The Songs of the 3 Holy children
  • The history of Susana
  • bel and the dragon
  • The prayer for Manasses
  • 1 Maccabees
  • 2 Maccabees

In 1684 all of these books were removed from all versions except for a 1611 edition, which was the very first edition translated into English.

In this first edition you will also actually find that Jesus’ name is spelled IESUS and pronounced Yahashua. So why then does everyone continue to call him Jesus, when the letter J did not even being used at the time?

One of these books that is particularly interesting, is the “Wisdom of Solomon”. For those who don’t know Solomon is one of the most legendary characters from the Bible. He was the son of David and is alleged to be the wisest man that has ever lived. He is painted largely as a benevolent figure. But what you read in this book will make you question everything you were told to believe about him.

Observe the following excerpt;

Wisdom of Solomon 2:1-24

1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.

2 For we are born at all adventure: and we shall be hereafter as though we had never been: for the breath of our nostrils is as smoke, and the little spark in the moving of our heart

3 Which being extinguished, our body shall be turned into ashes, and our spirit shall vanish as the soft air,

4 And our name shall be forgotten in time, and no man shall have our works in remembrance, and our life shall pass away as the trace of a cloud, and shall be dispersed as a mist, that is driven away, with the beams of the sun, and overcome with the heat thereof.

5 For our time is very shadow that passeth away; and after our end there is no returning: for it is fast sealed, so that no man cometh again.

6 Come on there for let us enjoy the good things that are present: and let us speedily use the creatures like as in youth.

7 Let us fill ourselves with costly wine and ointments: and let no flower of the Spring pass by us.

8 Let us crown ourselves with rosebuds, before they be withered:

9 Let none of us go without his part of our voluptuousness: let us leave tokens of our joyfulness in every place: for this is our portion and our lot is this.

10 Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.

11 Let our strength be  the law of justice: for that which is feeble is found to be nothing worth.

12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because HE is not of our turn, and HE is clean contrary to our doings. He upbraideth  us with our offending of the law, and ojecteth to our infamy the transgression of our education.

13 HE professeth to have the knowledge of the MOST HIGH, and calleth HIS self the child of the LORD.

14 HE was made to reprove our thoughts

15 HE is grievous unto us even to behold, for HIS life is not like other men’s, HIS ways are of another fashion.

16 We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father.

17 Let us see if HIS words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of HIM.

18 For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.

19 Let us examine HIM with despitefulness and torture, that we may know HIS meekness and prove HIS patience.

Let us condemn HIM with a shameful death: for by HIS own mouth HE shall be respected…..

This raises a number of important questions

  • Who is Solomon speaking of killing with a “shameful death”?
  • Why did the Vatican vote to have these 14 books removed from the Bible?
  • Why did Solomon sound so crazy and evil in this book?

It seems that Solomon was speaking of Jesus. But Jesus was born roughly 900 years after his death. Could he have prophesied Jesus’ coming? Let’s consider why this could be who Solomon was talking about;

  • They killed the SON with a shameful death
  • The SON’s actions or fashions were different from everyone else’s
  • HE claims to be and IS the child of The MOST HIGH
  • He was a righteous poor man who would look at Solomon and others like him as “counterfeits”.
  • HE professeth to have knowledge of The MOST HIGH

Then listen to what Solomon has to say:

  •  HE was made to reprove (criticize) our thoughts
  • We are esteemed of HIM as counterfeits: HE abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: HE pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh HIS boast that GOD is HIS father
  • For if the just man be the Son of THE MOST HIGH, HE will help HIM and deliver HIM from the hands of HIS enemies.

And one last thing I would like to point out is when Solomon says;

  •  Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.

This really disrupts everything we thought we knew. Solomon really and truly sounds evil. He is also alleged to be the wisest man in history.

Interestingly, Solomon is a man who was engulfed in the occult, he worshiped multiple gods and was weak for women. And the famous Temple of Solomon is considered to be the spiritual birth place of Freemasonry, a movement that is (at the highest levels) associated with pulling the strings of major global events and argued to be the true controlling power of our world.

Whatever is really going on here, we should certainly research it further.

Below you can watch a documentary on the occult knowledge and mastery of King Solomon:


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    • It wasn’t a prophesy, it was a delusion. People have been looking for the meaning of life since the beginning of it, and when they can’t find what they’re looking for, they make it up.

      • The meaning of Life? Simple its too serve God. When you die what do you take with you? Nothing. Therefore, you can only take your soul when you die and to be saved all you have to do is believe in Jesus and that he died for all of our sins as the ultimate sacrifice. To do so, read the bible a lot. It is the Word of God. Do your best to obey the Law of the bible. And remember that God is Love. And Love never fails. God bless you.

          • Some people died before they could get a chance to serve God so what was their meaning? Some are handicap and can’t serve God so what is their meaning? So the meaning has to be more than just to Serve God. Please you have so man animals and insect now and within time that are living with us and can’t serve God.

          • King Solomon did not say we should oppress the poor or stuff like that if u read the first paragraph it clearly states that “the ungodly said with them selfs” Solomon was simply trying to show us how the ungodly think and this is prove that Christ is real because the ungodly understood that they where going to perish because of their ways so they did their best to drag others along with them. Think about it what other way is there to tempt a soul than making them to believe your bad ways are the right ways. They said they will fill them self with rich wine and wear expensive cloths cause expensive material things can be used to make the poor feel bad about their life’s because they don’t have it this is just common sense and it is still happening till date. That book is called the wisdom of Solomon for a reason, it is meant to enlighten us about the truth of earth and how the evil try to deceive us never doubt GOD cause doing that is the beginning of your end

        • Youre right. Search “Iglesia Ni Cristo” by Felix Y. Manalo. The only church built by Jesus Christ in his last days and continuing up to this day.

          • Thank you for coming out straight. It may interest you to know that Jesus Christ never built a church why on earth. Jesus Christ followers were first called christians that is christ like, first in corinth after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ on the cross of calvary.
            The jewish traditions embarks on killing those who where the followers of Jesus. Then they scattered abroad that was wen the church of corinths emerged.
            So which ever book you read has told you lies from the emancipation of jewish traditions.
            Jesus only preach in the synagogues, mountains, plained grounds, family and their homes.
            Let me tell final truth Jesus Christ practice Judaism, so whole earth was made to believe so how can HE condescence so low to form a church.
            Every excuses against Jesus were flying vindications to empower their selfish interest, like you just did.
            The truth shall make us free from hell and sudden destructions.

          • what a gimmick!
            The only “real” christian church.
            History proves that claim impossible.
            But if you want to believe in that, nothing will change your thoughts.

          • ROMANS 16:16 clearly stated churches of Christ… not Church of Christ… mentioned once?.. Church of God on the otber hand, were mentioned 8X….

          • Thats right, weve all been with the tabernacle of God in our heart. Rejoice, for the time is at hand. The righteous in God shall be redeemed through the the sacrifice of our lord and savior Jesus Christ. Glory be to God and may his judgement of the wicked and unjust be his satisfactory.

          • Jesus was made a stumblng block for the jews and foolishness of the greeks. The purple vesture put on Jesus as he bore the cross, was to mock him of his self-proclaimed royalty. When they took it off of him, because there was only 1 seam throughout and it being of quality, the soldiers decided not to rend it, but instead casted lots for it.

            This vesture is symbolic to the tabernacle of God, this was the quality of his name and the truth he spoke, to which the churches built their own walls to gamble amongst themselves representation of his holiness.

            True christians know that the true tabernacle of God, is our body, as we are the temple of God, and the spirit dwells in the body, in our hearts most innermost intamcy with God.

          • I want to know why, if God is everywhere, why do we go into buildings to worship? Jesus was Irish, spelled Iosa, no J in the language. CC changed everything, even inventing St.Patrick. But we worship him too? Roman/English army is what he stood for and invaded Ireland and threatened the Druids to believe in their God.

          • I praise God that here in America We do have churches of plenty… Do not be deceived by the wicked one! Of course the wicked one will give you every reason and excuse to avoid church… The bible says not to forsake the gathering of yourselves among each other. I will not argue these things. It is your choice to choose. Yet don’t be ignorant in the renewing of your minds. You obtain faith through the hearing of the word of God. Jesus didn’t have time for churches in his last days. He became the husband. The church is his bride! He won’t be looking for his bride in the sewers or the shallower places of your minds. His bride is the church and to turn your back on the church will void your place among the saints in heaven. You must be faithful,you must show your testimony that you love God and his bride. We will gather ourselvesamong my Christian brothers weekly to edify one another and bring great pleasure to God…

        • Hah hah most of the bible is stolen from the Sumerians when the hewbrews were taken as slaves into babylon. Look into proper translations of the Sumerian clay cuneiform tablets ( not translation by zachariah sitchen though) then You will see all of the bibles stories from genesis to noah’s ark but many thousands of years older. No disrespect but You owe it to Yourself to get as close to the One as possible and so much corruption went into bible translations even when books were chosen to make up the New Testament at the Council of Nicea.. so many more accurate gospels were left out and inaccurate ones put in. Considering there were gospels from people who walked with Jesus yet of the Four chosen of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Mark was the oldest/closest but still written 83 years after Jesus died and Luke was written 273 years after Jesus died. Do the work and find the truth. Bless.

          • Paul’s information is simply not true. There are extant editions of manuscripts with Gospel of Luke in Syriac and Greek much earlier than 273 (+30 years) 303? AD.

          • Actually, Its all stolen from Kemet by invaders. All these groups are fighting over stolen property.

          • Pauls information is true but only in relation to the Torah (5 books of Moses… Genesis etc.) and some later prophets such as Daniel are obviously written during the Babylonian captivity. Genesis, Adam and Eve, Noah and the Flood are all just retellings of older Babylonian Stories/histories which were themselves taken from the Sumerians(eg the Enuma Elish).

          • Paul Keeling…”Considering there were gospels from people who walked with Jesus” Can you site these gospels. Never have I ever come across nor heard of such gospels or text, and I’ve done a fair amount of reading on the history accounts of the New Testament.

          • Not sure what you’re point is about the gospels having been written so long after the death of Jesus. It seems you are implying that the men that wrote them lived quite some time after the death of Jesus and therefore their accounts are not to be trusted. This is wrong. It’s not clear exactly when they were written, but they were all alive during the years of the ministry of Jesus. I don’t know where you got your info about some of the gospels being written 200 years after the death of Jesus but likely all of the manuscripts were written within 70 years of the resurrection. We know this because all of the authors were contemporaries of Jesus and none of them recorded the destruction of the temple which happened in A.D.70 so they likely all were written before then or this event would have been recorded.
            Matthew and John were 2 of the original 12 disciples. Marks mother was a devote follower of Jesus and her home was used for gatherings of the disciples; Mark was a teenager when Jesus was teaching. Luke was a friend of travelling companion of Paul and is the only one of the 4 gospel authors that did not know Jesus personally. Mark also traveled with Paul and all 3 of them spent much time together with the original disciples and the subsequent disciples. The stories and details were well known and told verbally to many thousands of people in the years directly following the death of Jesus.Despite the fact that they were risking their lives to tell the story of Jesus the disciples would not back down from the facts they were relaying. In fact 10 of the original 12 disciples were brutally murdered for telling the stories and refusing to recant; only Judas who committed suicide and John who died in prison were not murdered for sharing the gospel. There were at least 500 people that testified to seeing and talking with the resurrected Jesus and they risked their lives to do so. If you were alive in the 30 years after the resurrection you could have found these people and talked to them and many did so. Would you allow yourself to be tortured and killed for a lie? It would have been very easy for them to be quite and remain unharmed. All of this makes their accounts very credible. Check out the work of Lee Strobel on this subject. He was an agnostic (or atheist) journalist for the Chicago Tribune who set out to systematically discredit the gospels and in the process became a Christian instead.

          • You are basing it all on ancient accounts of the same ancient accounts mentioned in Genesis by Moses. Genesis is basically pre Judaic history, and recounts the Creation and corruption of Man, and God’s ultimate destruction by way of the Great Flood, which is also recounted in almost every ancient religion, since it was a world-wide event. Abram was not a Jew – he was a pagan from the Mesopotamian city of Ur, who was chosen by God, and renamed Abraham after his covenant with Him. It is a fact, and easily proved, that the entire New Testament, excluding the books of 1,2, and 3 John, and Revelation, were ALL written before the fall of Jerusalem, in 69 A.D. Considering Yeshua ascended in 30 A.D., the Gospels, including Acts, were first-hand accounts, and Paul’s letters to the churches were written when the Disciples were still based in Jerusalem. John, who was exiled to Patmos after being taken captive, wrote 1,2,3 John and Revelation while there. Interestingly, he was the only one who lived out his entire life, dying of old age. My suggestion is, read the scriptures, do read history, and compare notes.

          • Hi Paul,
            What about there not being a “J” in the Hebrew language?
            … Was his name not Yashua?
            … coming from the Almighty Yah.

          • Yes, his name would have been pronounced Yahshua. at the time. But also, my name would have been pronounced Yehonathan. Some countries call Jesus “Yesu”.
            Japanese people call penguins “pengins.” It doesn’t speak at all the credibility or lack thereof in a text. That’s just what happens when you transliterate languages.

          • Dean Haas So Abram was a pagan?… No Abram was a Hebrew, descendent from Eber, who was descendent from Adam his lineage can be found in Luke chapter 3, the only thing you did get right is that he was not a Jew. Another mistake you made – Genesis is basically pre Judaic history. Oh give me a break the word Jew doesn’t appear in the bible until 2 Kings 16:6. and the only reason they are even within the bible is to show their evilness and who the truly are, John 8:44-
            47. Mistake #3 – the Great Flood, which is also recounted in almost every ancient religion, since it was a world-wide event. Really!… And in what year did they record it in?… If the flood was worldwide then why doesn’t India make any reference to it and none of their records have every been destroyed by any flood? the truth of the matter is that the word eh’-rets should of been translated as land not earth in Genesis 7:4 to which when looking in the Strong’s Concordance you find it there. The only thing I can commend you on is – read the scriptures, do read history, and compare notes. Yes you are correct there. But I also suggest that when studying the Bible you also do comparisons with the Greek & Masoretic Bibles that have a concordance.

          • THE LORD JESUS realy dies and rose up on the third day ,the purpose is to saveand cleans people from their sin.he died for every body if people dont belive than on that day ye will ..

          • There were 14 generations before the opening of the matrix and the captivity into the way of babylon. We are at war as we speak, pushing through with Gods spirit in his tabernacle, eventhough we are confounded, his light shows us the way, and his words carry us through.

          • Okay so I am truly disappointing if you believe this Paul Keeling, because if you knew anything about the bible, you would know that is says that people used to live to almost a thousand years old, now whether that was true because their years were shorter, or because they truly were so much healthier than we are, i don’t have an answer. But whatever the explanation is, i believe that they did live to write about it 82 or 237 years later. And you should too because thats what god intends for us

          • Hey Paul,

            Do you have any books that I could read that would support your comments. I find it interesting as I too feel as tough there is corruption in the bible.

        • Amen,,,,,most people think the meaning of life is to acquire wealth,hence our World is so evil,we spend billions on arms and starvation is all over the World,the meaning of life is where will your soul go when you die???

          • You are a soul and when you die you are dead. From dust you came and to dust you return. That is why Jesus spoke of a resurrection. Why would you need to resurrect people if they were already in some other place alive?

        • isnt the word of good the same as god just like devil is evil or divide Devi Demi ect strive for the right to survive not the left of survival either form the aim is a positive spirituality as well as the teachings of jesus lesus isis horus baulder buddha and the other many of the right side of surviving and teaching by the blood of will. was to in fact use the magic of healing and the power of will as well as the alchemy of the earth as well as tending protecting and guiding a way of survival that did not include profits only the way to see or prophet pro = advancing phet produce . or advancing a fruitful wisdom .

          . more or less christians are afraid to follow the path to seek and to find their spiritual will in more than faith . despite as much asked and invoiced to the spirit most requests are for the lazy effort of central logic and selfish guidance . not the giving of the spirit of joy and healing to fellows and enemies .

        • C wizzles – ‘God’ is love, really? Hmm, maybe you need to actually read ALL of your bible, not just the ‘feel good’ parts you’re handed in church.
          Genesis 7:23 (genocide)
          Jeremiah 51:20-22 (ethnic cleansing)
          Exodus 12:29-30 (infanticide)
          2 Samuel 6:3-7 (murder)
          Ephesians 6:5 (slavery)
          Deuteronomy 21:10-14 (sex trafficking)
          Deuteronomy 20:10-14 (rape)
          Genesis 3 (punishing the innocent)
          John 6:40, Revelation 20:15 (extortion)
          Deuteronomy 13:13-19 (killing people of other faiths)
          Please don’t bore us with the “out of context” nonsense. Your “unconditionally loving god” not only condones it but commits it.

          • You are not considering that much of early scripture was based in a pre-Judaic time, and describing man’s disobedience to God, usually ending in their destruction. Yes,you are very out of context – YOU need to read the whole Bible, and find out why these stories of mankind’s transgressions are included, and why God had to judge, and even destroy, whole civilizations. Why should you care? Because His judgement will be even more this time, and soon. We all know what is at the end of the Book of Revelation – it will be too late if you find out after.

          • You’re right about that…
            I guess they forgot that God sent an evil spirit to Saul when Saul didnt do what God commanded him to do.. God was going to take his kingdom away and give it to David.. David will play his harp and calm Saul..

          • who are you to judge what a creator can n cant do..if he give u life he can take it..he can punish u with the worst …kill u…bring u back to life without any memory of what u endure….so yes GOD is love..you dont limit or judge GOD…..its the SPIRIT that FINDS GOD NOT THE FLESH….and to find GOD,ur way etc….u OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS all 142 of them,surely more than 10…..MOSES LAW NEVER WAS ABOLISHED..so LOGICALLY THE LAW STILL STANDS…

          • Micheal….We also read that….It doesnt mean that we only accept the “fèel good parts”…Actually that makes the bible more credible….it records the “the feel good” and also the “feel bad”…Know the contxt why did it happen….why the consequences……The sin Recorded in the bible is the same sin happening today….different time, the same sin. Youll just have to find the hope out of the sinful world…..you not believing God and the bible, youll never find the HOPE…

          • Michael ,
            That is so funny, for one, you display total ignorance of scripture.

            Buy the book Hard Sayings: UPC 9781941663745 by Trent Horn and read it out of your ignorance

          • The meaning of life…. You don’t need ancient super censored books for that… I’ve delved into spirituality and tested the expanses of my own. Translation: Took a fat hit of some DMT one time. During that time, the meaning of life was revealed to me. The meaning of life, ladies and gentlemen, has been under our noses the whole time. The meaning of life resides in the Hokie Pokie. That’s right….The Hokie Pokie. Sometimes in life you put your whole self in. Sometimes, you take your whole self elf out. Sometimes when youre in? You get shook all about… So , you the hokie pokie and you turn yourself around… and THAT’S what it’s and about babies! Bam!

          • Yes this is the reason of it all. There is only one thing in life that you should fear!!! THE ALMIGHTY GOD!…
            He is the only thing that stands between you and an everlasting death by fire… If you are rejecting God,because he has and is and will always punish and test his creation… Doesn’t it make you an ignorant beast to not comply with the creators wishes laws and desires? What God will this fool serve? The trixter that wants you in hell with him,or the creator and the only one worthy of praise… Only a true idiot that knows all these things you listed against God. Only an idiot would throw the first stone at God. Does it not say so,that vengeance belongs to God and God only? It is God’s right to punish mankind as it is a father’s right to teach his children obedience…. Do you stand in front of God as his accuser? Will you blame God for mankind being punished? Would you condemn all fathers because they must discipline their children? Are you and idiot is the question… To reject God while having such knowledge is pure ignorance from my viewpoint. I’m not here to discuss. The prophets have spoken!

        • Here it is written,
          The Conclusion of the Matter
          9Not only was the Teacher wise, but he also imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs. 10The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true.

          11The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails—given by one shepherd.b 12Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.

          Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.

          13Now all has been heard;
          here is the conclusion of the matter:
          Fear God and keep his commandments,
          for this is the duty of all mankind.
          14For God will bring every deed into judgment,
          including every hidden thing,
          whether it is good or evil.

        • C wizzles..it’s not that simple. If all people had to do was believe in God and then they are saved then that means any ine can live a full life of sin, do what EVER they want to do then when they are dying say hey God.. I believe in you ..so now I’m saved.. no.. but yes believing in him is the first step. After that you need to repent of your sins meaning “don’t just say it to say but mean It” be baptized in Jesus name bc “their is no other name under Heaven where men should be saved” then receive the Holyghost….stop repeating a prayer after your pastor.. your pastor can’t save you smh..onky God can.

          • I have a problem with a lot of this. I am not a believer nor am I a disbeliever, but I am a thinker and know how powerful the mind is. So I’ve thought and have wondered, did God create us, or did we create God? You know how we as a people seem to need some thing to follow, some thing to lean on so to speak, a crutch? Or was God created by the most powerful people to kind of keep us in order? Look at the Ten Commandments, nothing really but a set of rules for us to follow. And how we envision God, no one as far as I know has ever claimed to have seen him. And why is it a him? I can’t speak for others but I envision God as the elderly gentleman with longish white hair, big beard and flowing robes. But this kind looking elderly chap is anything but, with his genocides and other antics. We actually are guilty through history of doing everything that is bad that is written down in the Bible. I believe that we do come from nothing and go back to nothing but this body that we inhabit is not us, it is just a vessel that we use for the time that we are here. Where do we go from here? Nobody knows that, does it really matter? I don’t think so. It is what it is, does what it does, and don’t do what it don’t do. Peace out…..

          • Absinthe heres how u answer that question of who made who? You did not make God. Period. 30 seconds of thought shoulda been sufficient for that one

        • sorry but where in the bible those it say convert those by sword. man perverted the bible in his image transcending god. where is god in this godless world. is he on hiatus or did he simply quit trying to control us with his awesome ways of murdering everyone and selecting on a few to survive. how can the murder of nearly everyone be ok. do we not have the right to choose how we live and why did resort to trump like behavior. sorry god cant be real. evil yes but god i dont think so

          • You believe evil and not believe God? they are both unseen….So you fèl like you are soŕrounded with evil? Find God inside you….Humans are designed to quest for a God its in the coiled part of your brain….its just waiting to be feed….

          • Joshua you cant have evil without good , no devil without God no light without dark , all things have an exact opposite. two magnets repel each other , take a look around you , look at human gene sequencing and how a man grows from a tiny seed to a 6 ft tall human being , you have to be brain dead to not see that someone created this and the only one who says they did is God .theres a lot we don’t understand but I do totally believe we have a creator and he made us and put us here and I want to make my creator happy with me

          • Don’t be simple minded. Realize the things within yourself to accept the truth for what it is. Realize your abilities and the earths ability then do your research. Nothing can be proven until society is able to tell the good from the bad again. And you have to look within yourself and your life to finally understand the meaning of purpose. Then you will a flood of realizations about this world will appear in your mind. Then the revolution begins

          • Only Those not reading or understanding are confusing this. The sword mentioned is the sword of the spirit. Which quickens the soul of those who hear and rightly divide the truth from the lies. It has nothing to do with Trump.

        • I was told by someone who drowned was dead and came back that the only things you take with you are the things that you gave away. I’ve never forgotten that. Whether it’s true or not, it’s changed how I behave.

        • You cannot earn salvation.
          Therefore reading the bible and obeying God will not bring you salvation.
          Youre obeying god for what you get out of it. Thats manipulation.
          Salvation is a gift.

        • Could God be so egoic?when is man going to perceive of a God beyond the menial limitations of mans mind. To know that there is no meaning to lifes sans the one you give it and we are alliwed to change that at whim .

          • If god wanted perfect little followers wy then would he make us incapable of perfection and send us to burn in agony as a result of the inevitable burden of our nature? And also he says he is our father like our we are to our own children….. so he is the same but even more loving and unconditional but no matter what my kids did I would never set them on fire for eternity!!! He says love is not jealous and also says he is a jealous god? And faith is not picking one unproven theory out of a billion it is gambling so I’m a good guy but how come it is impossible to know unless you are god him self pretty unfair don’t you think.

        • The meaning of life is irrelevant. All that we can know is that it exists. Meaning is what we add by our actions and our interactions with other lives. Whatever spirits or influences we listen to, the choices are always ours.

        • I’m sorry, but i have to ask this: What seen did he died for? And if all our sins were fully washed away, why go to church? is the any place called golgotha in this world? if the is, please help us find it…

        • Isaiah 53:5, he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes, we are healed. For salvation, people just need to follow the way they did it in Acts? They were baptized in the water and of the spirit. Here’s why! The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If we are to follow him, we must do the same thing. Death= repentance, Burial = baptism, and resurrection = being filled and rising again from the dead. That’s what Acts 2:38 is. We must obey the gospel, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ… Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in Heaven. St John 3:3-5, EXCEPT a man be born of WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD. We can’t come up with our own gospel. Galatians 1:8-9, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Don’t be cursed. One way for all people. Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritan. Our salvation has to match-up with the scriptures and no scriptures on the subject can be taken away. Eternity is TOOO long to be WRONG! st John 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. The gospels show what Christ has done on the cross for us. The book of Acts shows us the beginning of Christ’s Church and how to enter the Church, obeying Acts 2:38. The letters were written to the Church to show us how to behave now that we are born again into the Church. It’s better to walk alone than to walk with a crowd going in the wrong direction. Are we supposed to follow the teachings of the apostles? Acts 2:42, They continued steadfastly in the apostle’s doctrines. Ephesians 2:20, We are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. Don’t get Titus 3:5 mixed up with James 2:14-26, about WORKS. One is a WORK of your OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS OR GOOD DEEDS and the other is a WORK OF FAITH, Obedience to God’s command. If you believe in this message, help spread it in the name of Jesus Christ so people can get saved the right way. God bless you!

        • How can you read the Bible when so many of the books have been erased from existence, not even known of to billions of people? Explain to me how you can sit here, believe the word of God (Bible), when it has been rewritten over hundreds of years and morphed into something that most likely has some lies in it, much thanks to the Vatican. I’m not saying I don’t believe in God, because I do, but I just can’t sit here, read the Bible, knowing that half of it has been erased, and the rest has been rewritten.

          • What the heck is a hokie pokie? Probably related to hocus pocus Lol. Do the hokie pokie, then do the dusty coffin.

        • When the DIVINE gift gets out of us that is the end of us. The seed of LIFE that is Divine continues to populate the earth only changing the container call human body. Just endeavour to love humanity for that is the beauty of our existence.

        • Saying that the Bible is the word of God is not a good argument as it has been corrupted and changed by man.

          • Yes they sure did.
            They also taught us our wrong identity therefore we cannot live the way we are intended to, meaning in the spirit.
            The only world that is real is the Holy City that is built by God, a place where spirit dwells forever.

        • To believe alone will not save you not according to( James :2-19) and it reads Thou believest that God is one ;thou doest well: the demons also believe,and shudder if it was a fact of believing they to will be saved but according to these following chapters that is not so and remember believing is not faith (rev:12-17)rev:14-12)rev:22-14)these are what those that enter by YAHWEH grace would look like

      • Isaiah was a Messianic prophet who, along with others, not only foretold the birth of Christ, but who He was, and what He would do.

      • Psalm 22 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help. Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. But be not thou far from me, O Lord : O my strength, haste thee to help me. Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns. I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Ye that fear the Lord , praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him
        , all ye the seed of Israel. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord : and all the
        kindreds of the nations shall .worship before thee. For the kingdom is the Lord’s : and he is the governor among the nations. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
        Psalms 22:11‭-‬23‭, ‬27‭-‬31 KJV

        Sorry dude, must be another coincidence

      • The meaning of life…. You don’t need ancient super censored books for that… I’ve delved into spirituality and tested the expanses of my own. Translation: Took a fat hit of some DMT one time. During that time, the meaning of life was revealed to me. The meaning of life, ladies and gentlemen, has been under our noses the whole time. The meaning of life resides in the Hokie Pokie. That’s right….The Hokie Pokie. Sometimes in life you put your whole self in. Sometimes, you take your whole self elf out. Sometimes when youre in? You get shook all about… So , you the hokie pokie and you turn yourself around… and THAT’S what it’s and about babies! Bam!

        • Meaning of life and man (Ecclesiastes:12-13) This is the end of the matter ; all have been heard : fear GOD, and keep his commandments ; for this is the whole duty of man.

      • I dont think Solomon is talking ill about Jesus because at the end of all that blasphemous verses he said at the last that His mouth shall be respected. maybe Solomon trying to say that do what you want as a human since we’re easily tempted ; harm and humiliate Jesus to see how worthy He is and realized that we should respect Him.

        correct me if Im wrong please cause that’s how I understand the text.

    • Does anyone understand that y’all are arguing about a story that was written along time ago to keep the population in check? We call these laws now and we don’t teach them through stories anymore… It’s nothing more than fables much like Aesop’s…. But the thing that is important is we all need something to believe and faith in during times of grief and suffering. As well as we all need rules to follow so no matter how you look at it… and I don’t care what name you give it.. we all believe in “God”…. You can argue all you want over details but to believe these things for FACTS is nonsense… Just be cause I write something down doesn’t make it true or fact they used these stories back to teach right and wrong and we are still using them to do that …. Well some are others are worrying about whether its true or not….. MISSING the point, God is all around us, within us all, we are all good and bad… some more to one side than others… but one can’t exist without the other and seriously…… whats more terrifying than the thought of eternal damnation to keep us in check??? I don’t think God is a “He” and considering we are all female until the Y chromosome kicks in and I wouldn’t put more thought into the whole Adam and Eve story until you understand its purpose… I will say that I find it amusing that our modern day prophets are the The Simpsons…. they have predicted quite a few things. I remember seeing the episode when Lisa becomes POTUS and talks about cleaning up Trumps mess… I think they might have even got the year right though I honestly don’t remember. But I digress… still, I believe that there is a possibility of a creator or higher power, anything is possible. Its good to have faith with out it there is no hope and then all is lost. You don’t need to go to a church to do that though. Jesus did teach in a church and we shouldn’t either most are corrupt and a joke. You shouldn’t live in a mansion because you preach the word of God. That’s actually quite the opposite. The only thing I know for sure is that we are a soul a living energy that doesn’t die when our bodies do. Its not, possible that energy has to go some where. Who knows where and the possibilities are limitless. Consider for a sec how small we are in all of this… We are on 1 planet in 1 galaxy that’s full of other suns (stars) and solar systems and there are galaxies (why else would we name it) it’s unnerving to think about but we actually are the Who’s.. lol… my point is stop nit picking and enjoy the short time you are here with the ones you love and do right by the word of God however you see it.

      • The proof of God is all around u in the order of everything. When all the Christians r being killed n a bunch of ppl all at one time just “disappear” n they try to blame some other force get right with Jesus cuz thats the only way you’ll ever make it.

    • I completely agree with you. WE, are 1 person, on 1 planet, in one star system, in 1 solar system, in 1 galaxy, in one universe, and there are BILLIONS of other little worlds out there, in their own little bubbles, holding who knows what. There could be things, other HUMANS, living in the different galaxies, trapped in the same situation we are in right now: Wondering, hoping, that there is a God, and we know half of the truth, the truth we need to know, to not be destined for total damnation, because you’re right, there’s nothing scarier than knowing you’re going to Hell, or Purgatory, when you die. You can’t ponder on that thought, believe me, I know, I do it all the time, because it will lead you to believe that you’re already there, that you’re already suffering. We should enjoy the time we have here, because it’s all we can do in life.

    • And people wonder why they say to “Fear the Catholics”; because catholicism has never been a religion of life; but a conquest of death.

      If the son prophesied the birth and the father prophesied the death; who do you think was actually responsible for it?

      /stares at you, blankly/

        • Dialing BR549.

          Meanwhile, it’s a cherry-pickers convention and everyone is baking a cherry pie according to their own recipe and with the cherries that they prefer selecting. Of course, they’ll all get upset if you tell them there are hundreds of other ways to eat cherries, hundreds of other fruits besides cherries, and it’s really all a matter of individual taste and if anyone tells you that there’s only one way to eat them, then they’re mistaken and too self-righteous about the whole thing.

          Look up Caodai religion. Just one of thousands out there. It makes as much sense as any of the others and is not as mean-spirited as the major religions.

          So….do any of you masochists want some whipping cream on your pie??

  1. Um… Did you read what you copied and pasted from Solomon? The first sentence says that this is what the “ungodly” say to themselves. They are all negative examples. The point is that if you see anyone saying X or doing Y, they are self-serving assholes.

    So if we see our politicians forsaking the sick, widowed, and old, surround themselves with luxury and privilege and shun the one who will come and condemn their filth, Solomon is saying we can see them as ungodly.

    • You are correct. He said the ungodly say, “but not aright”, meaning they are wrong, but this is what they say. Then he goes on to say all that the ungodly (unrighteous) say.

      • The article is full of falsehoods. Nothing holds any grain of salt. Only continuing to mislead the uninformed. The writer is not aware that most of the books he or she is claiming to have been removed from the bible, are all in the official Catholic bible called “The Jerusalem Bible”! Just google it & see the books contained in it. Then you will know the writer is feeding you on trash!!

        • So true Oscar there is no proof of Gods existance. Faith, which is explained as to trust in, cling to , and rely upon is a gift that cannot be earned & without faith it’s impossible to please God.
          So many have set out to disprove the Bible only to actually read it and either make no sense of it or as with Lee Strobel one time legal editor of the Chicago Tribune newspaper. Who went on to write many books which present very valid “cases” for ( eg Christ, a Creator )
          An interesting and little known fact of the entire new testamants etermology whilst not ” proof ” of God eliminates every other book ever written.
          Who’s open to the literary challenge that follows these rules.
          Write an essay of between 700 & 1000 words where once complete the number of words , vowels & same letter consonants that begin a word are all divisable by 7. The entire new testamant follows these simple guidelines.
          Anyone who wants to criticize this most amazing work of incredible genius. Jump in line to accomplish this challenge if you can’t, don’t hang your unfounded dribble on our heavenly fathers integrated message system that was inspired from outside our time domain.

          • I have read Lee Strobel and did not find anything where he had real evidence for anything! Like his assertion that he was an atheist but gives us nothing to base that on except the claim which we do not even know if it is true , that he did not believe in God at one time. Just how much knowledge did he have? Was it I was just a simple I did not believe in God but did know nor had not studied what atheism was based on or studied anything? Then somehow he becomes a believer? He knows his believer audience is not very sophisticated either. They will fall for the simplist argument that confirm what they already believe. I have been through the Bible numerous times and have a huge number of notes and my discussion with Christians has taught that most have never read the book. There are even told not to read but to ask their minister! If people really believed this was the word of God they would be reading to see what God had to tell them. Instead people have to officially believe to be accepted into the community of “good” and acceptable people so therefore they believe like they are expected too believe! Once society get to a sizeable number of nonbelievers religion will go into decline when the social pressure is not demanding that they claim to be believe to be accepted!

        • Oscar…Glad you pointed this out. The Latin Bible was referred to as the “Vulgate” and if one searchs out the books contained in the Vulgate, you will not find these books the author is referring too…..Thanks!

        • While I agree with your comment about the content of the message, the bible you mentioned is not the official Catholic bible. That would be the Latin vulgate. The official English translation is the douy Rheims bible. Both Old Testament versions are translated from the Greek Septuagint , which is the version St. Paul often referred to. It is the Protestants, not the Catholics, who removed the Old Testament books. A simple count of the books in the KJV vs the nrsv Catholic edition will prove it.

          • Yep, so if the writer is wrong on that, which there is historical documentation on, what else could he be wrong about?

        • You’re absolutely right. First of all, the Bible was first translated into English in 1526 a.d. and was called the Tyndale Bible. All of those Books, with the exception of a couple, are still in the Catholic Bible. All you have to do is look at one and see for yourself. It’s the Protestants that took those Books out during the Reformation. This guy is a total liar, and anyone who believes this crap is just too damn stupid to do a minute amount of research.

    • You so right, Solomon was narrating the thoughts of the ungodly.
      So easy to completely miss \mix the narrative ones the first verse is not captured.

    • Exactly! Even I missed that first part. Solomon was saying… “This is what the ungodly say of themselves, though it’s not right”.

      It is surely missed by many who can’t decipher the meaning of the words due to the way it was written and translated back in those days.

  2. Hi,
    I suggest you to read the lines that come just after thos mentionned in the article :

    [21] Thus they reasoned, but they were led astray,
    for their wickedness blinded them,
    [22] and they did not know the secret purposes of God,
    nor hope for the wages of holiness,
    nor discern the prize for blameless souls;
    [23] for God created man for incorruption,
    and made him in the image of his own eternity,
    [24] but through the devil’s envy death entered the world,
    and those who belong to his party experience it.

    Solomon were reporting sayings of misled people.

    You can see the whole version in the following link : http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/r/rsv/rsv-idx?type=DIV1&byte=3905445

    Thus it is true that many books have been removed from the bible from the early history of christianity. It is a good question to ask ourselves why have they been removed ?

    Having briefly studied it,texts that have been removed mainly introduce a notion of dualism between the body and the spirit, the existence of some kind of divinity within everybody, and the ability to find it by good ethic prayers and meditation. Those theory does not comply with the hypothesis of christ as the one and only son of god and the necessity for humanity to keep waiting for the next messiah, the “savior”.

    Authorities (religious one included) does not want you to know that you can spiritualy evolve and access a superior knowledge by yourself, they prefer that you keep following a chief or a god and that you wait for the next instructions.

    Keep meditating.

    Learn and transmit,

    Good luck

    • “Having briefly studied it,texts that have been removed mainly introduce a notion of dualism between the body and the spirit, the existence of some kind of divinity within everybody, and the ability to find it by good ethic prayers and meditation. Those theory does not comply with the hypothesis of christ as the one and only son of god and the necessity for humanity to keep waiting for the next messiah, the “savior”.”

      Very briefly, it seems. None of the early heretical texts in Christianity even begin to point to pantheism, and the only Christian group of the time that practiced a strict mind-body dichotomy was the Gnostics; a group which famously modeled its religious mode off of the Greek Mystery cults, passing on secret knowledge by word of mouth, thus not writing any of it down. There were no controversial books ripped from the bible… Because the bible wasn’t canonized until 382 at the Synod of Rome, and again later at the Councils of Hippo and Carthage; so technically, a book can’t be “removed” from the Bible before that point, when it was officially clarified for the Church (because before then it was just a bunch of letters bundled together collectively known to be “The Word”). But even in the second century, there was a broad consensus, across Africa, Italy, Palestine and Greece, that the New Testament was as it’s current state, with only a few bishops disputing Revelations, Hebrews, 3 John and 2 Peter.

      The so-called “Lost Gospels” such as gThomas, gJudas and gMary, do not support the ideas you purport, outside gThomas which might have been a Gnostic text, some scholars argue. But most scholars agree that the earliest either of those texts appeared was the mid second century, which is a whole 30 years after the last Canonical book was written and began circulating (because we have bishops from Ephesus and from Hippo citing gJohn and Revelation as early as 130AD).

      So, the only books removed from the Bible were removed, not in the early history, but in very recent history, when Martin Luther (16th c) removed the Deuterocanon of the Old Testament and attempted to remove James, Hebrews and Revelation (3 of the 7 New Testament Dueterocanonicals) before his peers convinced him to temper his fanaticism.

      • If what you are saying is true: why is it that the Vatican has an enormous library that has been closed and its content kept secret for centuries?

      • So, James. Didn’t I tell you long ago not to try messing with the Bible? Way back when you purchased the Magic from the thief? The one that couldn’t explain anything but took everything?

        The one that wasn’t a Wizard; but a rogue?

    • Absolutely the truth, they want to continue to deceive us from that truth being discovered, because once we figure it all out, they can’t control us anymore.

    • so we follow a bunch of villains who wrote the book but constantly contradicted the laws of god . as perfection cant be (GODS BOOMING VOICE OF LAWS ..THO SHAL NOT KILL “Oops i made a mistake kill them but kill no more.. of the… oh wait kill them too .. dang .. wait! kill these as well *AHEM* IN THE NAME OF GOD THOU.. tho shal.. Oh! dangit kill them too..

      Rather than follow the spiritually obtained teachings of a man who was closer to ability and wisdom as the Christ\Avatar was himself. and yes i get it jesus jesus jesus .. try reading and LOOKING into how many claimed the same .virgin born, spoke to god, had abilities were smarter than the average mind before its time,.. or shone bright like a star

      .. look into the 16 other crucified saviors. they were not kidding when they said “hunted the first born sons” as to that whom was first born would be the children of the creator . the creators sons. the virgin born children the jewish kings and roman emperors feared and hunted. that star wasn’t just Jesus’s the 600ad and 1100ad was very busy times for many areas of the world

  3. Hello, your critics are not just! why? well… first the quote begins like this: “1.For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright…” which means these were not the words of Solomon, but of the ungodly ones!!! And the chapter has 3 more paragraphs. The following paragraphs, from where you put and end to your quote, says this about the words that were used before:
    “21.Such things they did imagine and were deceived: for their own wickedness has blinded them.
    22. As for the mysteries of God, they knew them not: neither hoped they for the wages of righteousness, nor discerned a reward for blameless souls.
    23. For God created man to be immortal and made him to be an image
    of his own eternity.
    24. Nevertheless through envy of the devil came death into the world: and those who do hold of his side do find it.”

    Therefore, why you do take out of context the words of God, that the Great Man Solomon wrote for us to know about His Son, Jesus Christ?
    It is not nice of you to do so…
    Please, before you post such shameful things, take into consideration that there are people out there that are still reading the Word of God and cannot be misled!!!

    God may forgive you and bless you!

    • I would like for you to answer this… how could the Virgin Mary be a Virgin when Jesus had older brothers and sisters? How did the world populate when it was just Adam and Eve? I can continue but please start with this.

      • I can help with that. I know this is gonna sound weird, but in the hebrew brothers and sisters means cousins also. Jesus was the only child of st. Mary. However st. Mary had a sister who was also called marry (in the bible she is mentiined as the wife of clopas, or the mother of James, and she has another name too but i dont remember it. Anyhow, that only answers half the question, because eveb if cousins are called brothers in the arameic language, what proof do we have that she did nit have other children. But there r two things to note here. St. Mary, whenever she was mentioned she was always called Mary the mother of Jesus. While her sister who had four sons (all are mentioned in the bible, 2 of which where disciples) was often called as the mother of (and the name of one of the for sons) or as the wife of clopas. Also when Jesus was on the cross, if he had any brothers, why would he ask st. John to take care of her and treat her is his mother? It makes no sense. …

        Now about the 14 books. The orthodox church upholds 12 of them. The other two are not upheld. The catholic church changed its Bible after the Jews changed the books that they agree with. Before they considered all these books canonical, and in 1100s they decided that some of them are not canonical so the catholic church followed suit. The orthodox church however rejects that thought, because these books were canonical at the time of Jesus and the early church, and also Jesus makes a few references to them (i believe-dont take my word for that one)

        As for Adam and eve issue (actually as disgusting as this sounds in our modern day) their sons and daughter kinda married each other) that practice continued to be normal for a long time until it was not ok anymore (probably with the law that moses received. I dont remember where it was stopped.)

        Let me look that up and get back to you.
        If u have other questions please do ask them, if i dont answer them somebody else might…

        • The adam and eve thing. Those 2 humans were made perfect. So i imagine even being inbred for 500 generations would make those people still way smarter and healthier with genes closer to perfection. some people lived for 400 years.

          • I know I am reading this a year and so later. However, you need to read the book of adam and eve. That will explain alot. Eve was made from adams rib, not his sister just similar DNA. In the garden when they were with God, they were innocent not knowing!!!. Until they ate of the tree of Knowlege. They then knew sin!! They knew 4hey we naked God casted them from the garden and sent an Angel to guard over it. As for multiplying they had 4 children 2 sets of twins. Boy and girl each. Cain with abels sister and able with cains anyway read the book and it will explain things. Yes we are seeds of incest. But it has been breeded out of us for a very long time….

        • Tina…….. I understood that Mary the mother of Jesus was a virgin.. Jesus was the son of the Holy spirit. Joseph took her of course for his wife because she was a pregnant girl….. also because an angel told him to marry her. After Jesus was born she had other children Josephs children which were Jesus’s half brothers. Joseph was an old man he may have had other children before he married Mary however,he definitely had younger sons with Mary after Jesus was born and they followed his teachings and became disciples.

        • There were other people in the world outside of the garden of Eden…. that is why when Cain was kicked out of Eden he went and found a wife in the land of Nod

          • when Adam & Eve was created–BEFORE sin interred in. At first (even after leaving the Garden) their bodies were pure. No sickness or disease. Brothers & sisters HAD to marry. It wasn’t called incest then. G-d made only 1 couple, then He told them to multiply–which means children. AND while in the garden. G-d knew that brothers & sisters would have to get together. NOW–with so much sickness & disease in the world these pass few thousand years, they should NEVER get together. There has been a lot of crap passed down.

          • God created men and women , in his likeness . Then he created Adam and Eve to live in the Garden , innocent without knowledge of sin . Separate from the original first humans created . Read Genesis carefully . After Adam and Eve were cast from the garden and Cain killed Able , pay close attention to Cain’s conversation with the Lord . Cain is cast from the family unit and replies to the Lord ” surly anyone that finds me will kill me ” so the Lord marked him . And he moved to a city ….. Where did this city come from ? The other humans God had created . Sometimes the obvious answers are right in front of us and it’s so apparent we miss it . The children in the Bible are not products of incest ..

      • Oh, there are HUNDREDS of contradictions and no one can answer them because the bible is a fairy tale. Did it rain for 40 days and 40 nights or 120 days and nights? The Bible states both. What did Noah feed the lions on the ark? Why was Adam plunked down on the earth all alone and Eve was an afterthought that had to be created from his rib… especially since we now know that ALL HUMAN BEINGS are at least half FEMALE (X chromosomes)? Why weren’t Adam and Eve allowed to eat from the tree of KNOWLEDGE?…

        • You could quite literally find every answer on those things in about 15 minutes doing some BING searching.
          “Noone can answer them” <— (-_-)smh

        • I agree. The Bible contradicts itself so many times that it’s almost hilarious. It was written by men who are flawed. It’s nothing more then a “history” book that’s been rewritten over n over in different languages way to many times. So who knows what’s right and wrong in it.

          • If you’ve never read the book with discernment you can’t go claiming these things.
            People love to read books, and when their minds go to sleep for a few paragraphs or chapters they yawn and refocus.
            But The Word of God is worth our full attention. And the Bible does not let us down, the confusion you find is your own. Yet, answers DO exist; the question is are you satisfied with the lies the world is feeding you?

          • who wrote the bible? and who gave him / her the information . i f someone walked up to you today and told you that a guy died last friday and was walking around on monday … would you believe them using common logic ,,,, and if the word virgin was a mistranslation of the word maiden how would that reflect on a virgin birth …..and what do u think about most of the roman catholic religion being made up of a collection of fables from various pagan religions at the council of Nicea by an english roman Constantine all a bunch of madness!!

        • Please send me a scripture that says Jesus was born non the 25/12!! And my father died on the 19/05/98 every year since then his date of death doesn’t change, even the month, but why with the so-called “Jesus” keep changing? This year he died in April last year he died in March next year will die in March I guess or June??? Any clarity on this

          • Please research the Hebrew lunar calendar. around the sixth century AD the gregorian calendar was adopted universally in the west, and the Hebrew calendar (that God gave to keep count of Sabbaths) has been denied publicity ever since.

      • You can’t be this stupid Joseph was a widow and had kids before he was with Mary so Jesus had brothers and sisters but not through Mary

      • It doesn’t say they were older, only that He had brothers and sisters. Of course, it is only natural to know that He was the eldest.

      • The Hebrew word for ‘young maiden’ (alma) was mistranslated to mean ‘virgin’. Therefore, Mary was not a virgin, but a ‘young woman/lady’.

        • Ruby, the Bible is clear, the mother of The Christ didn’t “know man” before the birth of Yeshua. If she did, it wouldn’t have been her husband, and she would’ve been made to marry the man she “knew.”
          Yet, she did not “know” man until after Christ’s birth and her consummation to Joseph.

      • What gave you the idea he did? Mary and Joseph were not married, and even giving birth to Jesus would have made her an outcast if Joseph didn’t defend her. He had younger half-brothers, yes. James was the closest born to him and leader of the early ‘church’. How you ever thought he had older siblings is curious, as it is easily disproved in scripture.

    • I really appreciate That! They are people who are posting things on these social networks just to discourage Christian, and what they do is; they write half of the thext or hide where the story start or end just to play with our belief! God bless people who believe in Jesus.

  4. This entire verse is written from the perspective of the “ungodly”

    1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.

    • And the Vatican does not want us to know about what to do to ‘the ungodly’, because they are the ones Jesus was condemning for taxing ‘the people’, but the priests – being the key-holders of the Truth – locked out ‘the people’; thereby denying them access to the Truth. Which is why Jesus did his teachings outside where ALL who desired, had access to God’s Kingdom without paying a tithe or ransom and being deceived or only given partial truths.

  5. these 14 books are not in the holy bible because they are not inspirated bij de Holy Spirit. these 14 books are called apocrieves. you can learn from them but won’t led you in the path to God/Wisdom. and the books in the holy bible are called cannonieke books. they are leading you to God because they are inspirated bij the three divines.

  6. utter rot. Catholic bibles still have the apocrypha. Protestant bibles do not. The crux of the matter is that these books exist in Greek and Latin translation, not in the Hebrew originals. Hence they are not recognised by Jews either.

  7. Whoever wr0te this is a t0tal m0r0n. Th0se parts and b00ks are all still in the Cath0lic Bible, if y0u had ever stopped t0 check. Als0, learn t0 reaD, that p0rti0n fr0m Wisd0m is clearly stated t0 be S0l0m0n quoting the wicked and reproving their reasoning… it’s n0t S0l0m0n saying th0se things, it’s S0l0m0n qu0ting the wicked.

    • It seems the author was simply releasing his/her fashionably anti-Catholic venom much the way a defecating dog cleanses the anal gland. Ah, modern journalism . . .

    • These books are in the Dead Sea Scrolls which proves they are part of the sacred inspired Old Testament scripture.

      The Jews who threw them out did that after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Yes, the same Jews who rejected Jesus Christ as Messiah and Lord then turned around and rejected those books. They rejected them because they said they were not written in Hebrew. Well the Dead Sea Scrolls, found in the twentieth century, proved that they were indeed part of the Hebrew scriptures. Yeah, those who deny Jesus are usually not on the side of truth, are they?

      And it was the Protestants who threw these books out of the bible. So they sided with the Jews who rejected Christ. Go figure. As usual, the Catholic Church is on the side of truth.

      • Ha ha no I think that You will find that it was a pope who called the council of nicea who chose the books to go into the new testament. Protestants only appeared during the rule of Henry VIII in England lol

  8. I am unsure of the wicked picture of Solomon, son of David. I think the figure of speech, son of god, has much to do with it. Note, for example, in the gospel of Thomas, it is written that when you know your selves, then you will know that you are the sons of the living Father. So, now, Solomon 2:1, “For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious…” is the perspective of the ungodly. And whenever “we” appear, it is about the ungodly’s perspective. And, Son of the most high is Solomon, himself, in the text. In other texts, you will see god being referred to as light and those who shun the world as children of light. Actually, in Aramaic, Ellah is not a name because none came before Him to name Him. Time itself is His creature following His command. Ellah means the one worthy of all worship; it is a meaning.

    In the text, the ungodly were talking about killing Solomon with a shameful death because Solomon did not identify his self with his body as the ungodly identified the end of their body with the end of their spirit.

  9. Aside from the Prayer of Manassah, all of those exist in the Catholic Bible today as Canon. 1 Esdras was named Ezra and 2 Esdras was named Nehemiah. It’s 3 and 4 Esdras that were rejected, even though they are canon in the Russian Orthodox Church. In fact, the Old Testament reading this past Sunday in mass was in Eccliastasticus, which is also called Sirach in most Catholic Bibles.

    The Catholic Church never took those texts out of scripture. The ones that are still there, are the same ones determined to be Proto and Deutero Canon at the Synod of Rome in 382 AD. What you might be referring to is the fact that Seven of those books, the Deuterocanon of the Catholic Church, was rejected by the early reformer of Protestantism, Martin Luther. He famously cut out Judith, Tobit, Sirach, Wisdom, 1 and 2 Maccabbees and Baruch, as well as the additions to Daniel and Esther that you mention, like the stories of Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, etc.

    So it seems you’re rather uninformed on the issue. I would recommend reading and re searching a little deeper next time, before publishing a sensationalist article full of nonsense. It deeply discredits online journalism. My Duoy-Rheims Bible, a Catholic Bible, has all the stories and books you’ve listed, with the exception of Manasseh (which wasn’t included in the initial set of Deutercanonical texts clarified at any of the Western Synods, Hippo, Carthage or Rome, in the latter quarter of the 4th century).

    • Well atleast its got people talking and informing each other which is the true way of learning anyways thx for your input, when people get proper input it stops all the bad advice going around. God bless you.

    • Absolutely correct. My Catholic bible also has these books. This ‘author’ did a pathetic job at attempting to smear the church and mislead. Once again, don’t believe everything you read, people. This article is so bad that it is laughable.

    • With due respect to your position and personality, I think it’s wrong to say this write-up is ‘full of nonsense’ when i, for one, am just learning through it that the Bible I have been made to believe is one and only words of God is in fact mutilated and significantly tampered with. Much as I won’t subscribe to the writer’s message or motive, I can’t seem to get over the coherence in the write-up and and the responses from you guys who appear knowledgeable in this divinity studies that tampering actually took place. I am still gasping for breath. As you also seem to have agreed, there have been removals, mergers, reinventings etc over the course of time. All of these are full-circle contradictions to all the teachings I have received since childhood. It tells me very clearly, at least, that nothing seems incontrovertible…including my faith

      • That was powerful Tee, and so true… I was brought up Catholic and when I learned of all the tampering and downright mutilation that has been done to the bible I, too, was floored and blown away, hence began my spiritual journey… thanks for your honesty and openness.

    • The entire new testament that we read today was written before 71 AD, the proof is in the text. No place in the ENTIRE new testament did any writer mention the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem which would have been the headlines in every major city in the then known world!

  10. ‘For the unGodly said ….’ Not what Soleman said. He’s quoting others, or rather accounting for the sentiment at that time. It does raise interesting questions about timelines though

  11. Such uneducated, poorly researched crap! What facts are here have been manipulated into a very misleading narrative. I’m not defending the RC Church for historic atrocities or child abuse, nor other Christian & religious extremists. But get the facts, folks. This is salacious & irrelevant information patched together without logic or real continuity. Be aware of the author’s agenda.

    • it’s funny how those who taught the gospel practiced more evil than those being taught ..so it makes me think if those teaching were this wicked how do you expect me to believe them..
      I’m African , the missionaries that came to Africa adored slavery never bothered to fight for our freedom just told us to read the Bible …very godly …it was a non Christians who fought heavily against slavery
      it makes you wonder ..then I realized the Bible has been tainted by evil men’s agendas to be supreme and oppress those they feel like

      now the Christians will start justifying their actions or give excuses …but my question to them is can they find it anywhere in the Bible that God hates slavery?.
      the answer is NO !
      he rather gave rules on how to treat your slaves
      I wonder if you were slave back then if you would enjoy it?

      • I have tried to come to terms with that myself. As you see all the so called bible scholars blew right past your comment. SMH

        • Be fair. The British Anti-slavery movement was headed by Evangelical Christians like William Wilberforce. They were pretty reactionary on other matters, but good on slavery.
          Mind you, I doubt whether they would have succeeded had British capitalism not developed to the point where it needed the profits of slave production (including the trade in slaves) no longer.

      • No need to wonder. The Bible has many examples of how slaves were treated. And it was nothing like 18th century slavery. Slaves might be in charge of household finances, teach the master’s children, go to market for the master, or any number of other jobs. Some slaves preferred slavery to freedom, which is what the verse about nailing the ear to the door was about. Deut 15:16
        And it shall be, if he say unto thee, I will not go away from thee; because he loveth thee and thine house, because he is well with thee; 17 Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.

        • Even then, there was appalling exploitation of slaves, possibly worse than in the future American cotton fields, in the mineral mines of the ancient world.

      • Slavery appears to be their intent. Religion appears to be the weapon. They knew the power of coordination and resilience in religion, that’s why it was important to subdue our hard-fighting but out-weaponed fore fathers from practicing the African traditional values and faiths. They replaced Africa’s incorruptible religion with two major religions that are actually instruments of colonialism. They took away the mother tongue that spur the internal combustion of scientific thinking and innovations. The religion preaching created the division, diversion and ultimately resulted in the inglorious defeat and the thousands of years of rapes, slavery, depletion and looting of Africa. The language ensured the obliterations of the rich history and created the gaps between ancestors and their offsprings. History cannot be suppressed forever! One day, true account of how Europe utilised the same but perfected Roman tactics to mastermind and underdevelop Africa. Thanks to prosperity that at least major disagreements are starting to well up among our traducers. They scrambled and evaporated the human and material resources of Africa to create the grounds for the so-called industrial revolution. The same looters are the ones saying Africa is the least-developed region of the world. Africans have always worshipped God. In Yorubaland, we call him Olodumare. The craft was to forcefully deceive us that the messanger and deities through which our fathers worshiped God and never faltered were idolatrous and diabolical. May God forgive them, if he can.

        *** Like others of similar message, i won’t be surprised if this comment is not allowed to see the light of the day***

      • It was the Muslims who invaded Africa who captured and sold slaves to the British colonies, and continue to do so today! Christian missionaries are fighting slavery, and even buying back women and children taken into slavery in Darfour. Please, you must state truth, not ideological propaganda. Millions of children’s lives in Africa depend on it. Please look up Open Doors website,

        • Dean, you should dig a bit deeper. The Church did in fact participate in the transatlantic slave trade. No one group is innocent in this world, and you should approach knowledge with that basic understanding.

  12. We need some clarification on the books and added chapters of books listed. The Roman Church, until the time of the Reformation, had all these included in the Bible. The Catholic Bible is based on the Septuagint, the official Greek translation of the Old Testament dating to the second century BC. It is likely that Jesus was familiar with the Septuagint. The Septuagint contains these writings, and they were printed and published in English when the King James Bible was issued in 1611. However, due to printing costs, they were eventually omitted.

    Over the centuries there have been various opinions on the value of these writings, known by Orthodox/Catholics as “The Deuterocanonicals” (the second list), and by Reformed/Protestants as “The Apocrypha” (the hidden, or spurious books). St. Jerome, for instance, placed them in between the Old and New Testaments when he officially translated the scriptures into Latin. I believe Luther did likewise when he translated the scriptures into German. Nowadays you have to hunt for an authentic Catholic/Orthodox Bible containing these books and chapters. They nearly always cost more than the cheaply produced Protestant Bibles.

    Apart from the content or moral teachings of the writings, this is the real information on them.

    • This is the best explanation. The Church never removed those books! They remain in the Catholic Nible. Martin Luther removed them. Someone needs to research instead of believing the article!

    • No you do not have to hunt for them. Any good Catholic Bookshop has a normal Catholic Bible that has all these books. It is not the Catholics that removed the books it was the protestant. So we have these books in our bibles as Catholics. I highly recommend the book o Tobit as an inspiration and comforting book.

  13. Are you insane? The second paragraph of your article contains too many historically factual errors to list in this space and it just keeps going.

  14. As a freemason, I would like to know why you contend that freemasonry is ” a movement that is (at the highest levels) associated with pulling the strings of major global events and argued to be the true controlling power of our world.”

    I have seen nothing of this here in NSW.

    Can you prove this to me please?

  15. As far as I know about the “jesus” pronunciation is that j was used in latin like the word jvvntus(iuventus) and latter on the “i” was introduced. Ichtios was another name from greeks for Jesus and the latin form Iesus but the nord part of Eu was reading from the latin text Jesus with J no with I, its just a mistake that was passed down by generations. In the eastern europen they pronounce it with an I.
    The hebrew for is Yeshua as it is writen on a 5 pointed star the individual letters: Yod, He, Shin, Vav, He.
    What is interesting is that Shin has the form of a crown and without shin it only: yod he vav he meaning Yehova.
    The 5 pointed star teaches us about the achivement of nobility in man(crown) when he begins to hold control over the 4 elements that constitutes our world.

  16. Yes it wasn’t the Catholic Church which removed these texts from the Canon of scripture it was Martin Luther who didn’t include them as they are not part of the original Hebrew canon which of course is the original source from which he produced his German version which predates subsequent English translations.

    The Catholic Church actually produced the original vernacular edition in the 700’s CE.It is in Vulgate Latin which was the lingua franca of the day. It did and does contain these additional

    In the revised common lectionary these books are now included in the regular Sunday morning readings so their rightful place has been restored to the whole church.

    One final note the Jews do not consider the whole of the Hebrew Scriptures as the “Word of God”.Only the Torah is given that distinction the rest are inspired.

  17. Iseus is not pronounced Yahshua it is pronounced Jesus. If you knew Greek you would know how to pronounce it.

    Joshua is the Hebrew name of Jesus. Yet everyone even in his day on earth called him Jesus as Greek was the dominant language. Just as English is dominant today in this world.

    • actually….it is not yahshua….it is spelled Y’shua….the “y” is pronounced as…”YE”….then add…”SHUA”….hence the name….Yeshua….

  18. He is speaking metaphorically about he who proclaimeth himself to be righteous. People who are so busy trying to observe every letter of the law, that their life becomes an imprisonment and a discussion of the law, they forget to live for themselves, and become pre-occupied with judging others. Or, in common sense English terms they who have ‘the wrong end of the stick’.

    • Accordingly the Ethopian Bible is more ancient and possess the truth more than the Latin version Since we know the Queen of Sheba reigned there and eden was also in Ethopia also known as Cush in the Bible.

      • You want ancient and original watch Gerald Clark on YouTube and You will find the ORIGINAL transcriptions in the Cuneiform before the Ancient Hebrew or Ancient Aramaic etc You can trace Your bible history to a staggering four hundred and fifty thousand years !!
        Hows that for ORIGINAL and You will find it all from Genesis, Noahs Ark and much much more. Blessed be.

  19. To the author of this text, you are so sadly misinformed and did such a bad job of research that you should be ashamed of yourself. As was pointed out above, all but two of these books remain canonical in the Catholic bible.

    Do you know who yanked these books? Martin Luther. Indeed, Luther wanted to delete entire sections of the epistle of James because James emphasized the fact that faith without works is dead.

    If you had any integrity, you would delete this piece of poorly researched trash, and do a much better job in the future.

  20. Actually, not quite right… those books ARE in the bible! If you have a Catholic edition… It’s the Protestant and Jewish version of the bible and that doesn’t have “1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, The rest of Esther, The Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch with the epistle Jeremiah, The Songs of the 3 Holy children, The history of Susana, bel and the dragon, The prayer for Manasses, 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees”. You’re quite welcome to come round and check my copies of said books if you don’t believe me…

    • Liz Koppert is dead right! The Catholic Church hasn’t removed those books from the bible at all. It is actually the protestant churches that removed them from their bibles. Those books are still in the Catholic bibles.

    • This is the truth – those 14 books are known as Deuterocanonical – of secondary canonicity (correctness, from Latin word Canon which means “reed” straight.) They were always questioned, known as “Apocryphal” = doubtful and mostly omitted from Protestant Bibles. The preface to the Apocrypha in the Geneva Bible explained that while these books “were not received by a common consent to be read and expounded publicly in the Church,” and did not serve “to prove any point of Christian religion save in so much as they had the consent of the other scriptures called canonical to confirm the same,” nonetheless, “as books proceeding from godly men they were received to be read for the advancement and furtherance of the knowledge of history and for the instruction of godly manners.”
      They are retained in Roman Catholic bibles such as Douay Rheims (1955 edition) in which they are incorporated in the O.T. Canon; The Revised Standard Version (1973 Ecumenical Edition) has a middle section between Malachi and Matthew for the “Apocryphal/ Deutero-canonical Books” so it depends on the editorial policy. These do not appear in Protestant translations – and neither is there any important doctrinal material in them – 1 & 1 Macchabees are an account of the war against Antiochius and ultimate victory – shortlived as it was. The value of the other books is dubious, albeit that there is some Godly wisdom in some and legendary material in others.

  21. HOGWASH!! Clearly anti-Catholic article! Seven of the 14 books you claim were REMOVED by Catholics are ONLY left IN the Catholic Biblee!! Martin Luther, during his revolution REMIVED seven books!! LEARN about thise things you wish to write! ?





  23. I’ve only heard this from a scholar, I haven’t studied it but apparently historical documents show no evidence there there ever was a King David. Go figure hey!

  24. Soloman was talking about the true Son of GOD not Jesus. The catholics changed the name and the image. Jesus was not the true name. Jesus was added in 1611. Study for yourselves and discover the hidden truth. The slaves never heard of Jesus until they got on a slave ship. Native Americans spoke aramaic/hebrew. Names do matter. Laws have been forgotten. Ask yourselves why do they have european names in Bible. Think?

  25. I hear a lot of talk about contradictions in the Bible. No self respecting person; much less anyone who identifies as Christian, would entertain such an outlandish, preposterous claim. What is the Bible? It is a collection of accounts that detail God’s life. ALL, that is written in the Bible, by the hands of men, as God’s divine instruments, is without error. We know these truths.
    Are there parts that SEEM to contradict?? Yes, but all the answers have been given to us already. God didn’t write a question and answer book: He wrote the story of His life so that we could learn and apply the lessons contained therein. Need I remind you, that entertaining the idea of a perfect Being making mistakes collapses upon itself.witself. We hold that God is perfect. Everything He created is perfect. So why would God allow discrepancies to happen with His book? Does this enormous oversight seem like it it is in keeping with the Creator’s modus opernadi?

  26. Hi everyone. I’m Ernan from The Philippines. As I thoroughly reading your comments about the eliminated books in the Catholic Bible, I’ve got an old Bible at my house and I searched the books which were eliminated. Suprisingly, those books where present except for the book of The Song of Manasses. Compared to my new english bible, some books were retained and some were eliminated. Thank you and God bless us all.

    • There IS an edition with those books. It’s called the CATHOLIC DOUAY VERSION. In other words, the author of this article LIED.

  27. Hello everyone,
    I’ve just checked in my 2014 edition of the Holy Bible, with a new translation designed for proclamation during holy Eucharists an other celebrations in French-speaking countries. Except for the Song of Manasses, all other books are present. The Ecclesiasticus has been renamed thanks to recent studies the Book of Qohelet, but the writings remain the same. The contradictions that are mentioned correspond to various moments in the Hebrews’ history. Take the example of psalms. You can sometimes read about a vengeful Lord and later of a most benevolent forgiving One. Theses differences serve for the edification of the faithful at different moments in their lives.

  28. This article is so full of misinformation I don’t know where to start.

    1) The Bible translated in 1611 is the King James Version. It is not a Catholic Bible. It was not translated from Latin, but from Hebrew, Greek and Chaldean. It is not the first English translation, nor even CLOSE to it.

    And the books you are referring to are in every Catholic Bible. They are no longer in most PROTESTANTS Bibles. They are called the Deuterocanonicals or the Apocrypha. You can look it up.

    Martin Luther took them out of the Old Testament and placed them between the Testaments. The 1611 King James also placed them there. The Catholic and Orthodox Churches have always kept them as part of the Old Testament.

    They are, indeed, not in MOST editions of the King James since 1684, but 1) You can find editions with them, if you look; and 2) That’s NOT A CATHOLIC BIBLE.

    Before you wrote this, couldn’t you have at least Googled? Or gone to Bible Gateway and looked at the Table of Contents?

    Here, here’s the Book of Wisdom from the current Catholic Bible (the New American Bible) courtesy of the website of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops:


  29. The name Jesus never existed until 1611, mek ur research well. The Israelite no matter hw dey were slaved never lost their language, they spoke majorly Hebrew nd Aramaic, even Yeshua spoke Aramaic not greek or Latin, the truth still remain that there was a meeting in the council of Nisei other by pope Constantine on wen to worship, images to worship nd as a result the name Jesus came into play, name of two gods joined to form Jesus Christ. The roman church ?has committed so much atrocities from their history of existence, check history well nd do not support lies introduced by the roman empire.

    • Hi ! Fee we are on the same page that no man ever existed by the name jesus up until Constantine calle 318 bishops in 325AD, thats where Jesus was created, from the Deity of King Alexandra ( Serapis Christus) so thats where Jesus was created from, yet the person who lived on earth and did what they say it was done by jesus, was actually done by African from Egypt by the name of Horus son on Osiris and Isis the virgin not Marry

  30. U guys have equally forgotten that Luther was a roman scholar before he protested nd the church ?wanted him dead nd he flew to France or is dat history false too

  31. This is not surprising read 1st kings 11
    And it is more missing books than that, where is the books of Yasher, aka Jasher?
    Where is the book of Hanok, aka Enock both of which are mentioned in scripture?

  32. Did anyone happen to notice that it says, “Let us oppress the poor righteous man, let us not spare the widow, nor reverence the ancient gray hairs of the aged.
    This could be talking about ‘Jesus’ – the Oppressed Man, ‘Mary Magdalen’, – His Widow, and ‘Mary’, the Virgin, and ‘Joseph’, her Husband – nor reverence the Gray Hairs of the Aged.
    This could be referring to the Crucifixion, or the Plan thereof.

  33. Anyone who is truly enlightened wouldn’t say things in such convoluted ways. They’d be clear and say what they are trying to impart in alternative ways so as to add clarity. This is all such nonsense.

  34. Peace to all… The Holy Bible is made to read and believe what is written there, not to be debated. Read these verse.. Matthew 7:21-25. Hope all understand these verse spiritually.. God Bless.

  35. The Vatican didn’t remove those 14 books.

    All but the last three of those books are known as the deuterocanonical books, and are considered canonical by Catholics and included to this day in the Catholic Bible.

    They are also regarded as canonical in the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and the Church of the East.

    They are, however, considered non-canonical by most Protestant denominations.

    Nevertheless, Protestant Bibles do often include all of these these books in a separate section called he Apocrypha.

    In the Catholic church, the council of Hippo in 393, and the third (or sixth) council of Carthage in 397 included the deuterocanonical books when they determined the catholic canon of the Holy Scriptures.

    The canon was sanctioned in the sixteenth century by the council of Trent, and has remained undisturbed ever since.

    Facts do matter.

    • That’s why the highest catholic priest like to sexually abuse little kids…
      They are the worst people in the world.
      They will come to rob steal and destroy.
      Read the the bible.

  36. Gotta say, this is the stupidest article on the Apocrypha I’ve read in a long time.

    Roman Catholics and Episcopalians’ Bibles have 80 books: KJV, RSV/NRSV, TEV and others still print them today. In 1611, the King James Version/Authorized Version was published in England, based on previous English translations of the Bible, as well as the Hebrew and Greek texts that were available at the time. More documents have been found since and scholarship has found some translations errors that have been corrected or have been acknowledged as Hebrew and Greek words whose meaning has not yet been determined. (Ancient Hebrew was written without spacing, vowels or upper/lower case. The Classic example is How do you read “GODISNOWHERE”

    As for the “books of the Bible” that were not included early on, it didn’t work that way. The Christian version of the Bible wasn’t canonized until the Council of Rome, AD 500. The first list of the books of the New Testament as we have them today was in the Ad 367 Easter Letter of St. Athansius of Alexandria. The books of the Hebrew scriptures (Old Testament) were not canonized until AD 90 at the rabbinic Council of Jamnia.

    Many, if not most of the books that didn’t make it into the essential books that constitute the OT & NT canons are still available to read today. Some of the best are the writings of the Early Church Fathers and the Desert Fathers. Others are more strange than wonderful. It’s important to remember that authorship wasn’t the hard and fast rule it is today, so just because a Gospel, for instance, has a name (Thomas, Matthew, etc.) doesn’t necessarily mean that the man you think wrote it actually wrote – but that didn’t matter to the Christians community – it was the content that mattered, even when it contradicted the content of other Gospels. (The four canonical Gospels don’t agree on the events on Easter Day. Go figure. The first 2 chapters of Genesis disagree on whether Adam was created before or after the animals. Go figure.)

  37. Very interesting, but neither Solomon nor David ever existed. Not a shred of evidence to the contrary. Fictitious characters of mythology. Furthermore, if he was to have existed, how could he possibly be considered judaism’s wisest man when he was regularly raping at least 700 women and enslaving thousands to build his fictitious temple? Wise people do not keep other human beings in bondage. Wise people do not rape – not even once, let alone 700 women.

    • This isn’t new. It is known that Solomon was apart of the occult and worship others because he couldn’t wait on God. He wanted to access more. That’s why his kingdom was torn in two.

  38. I don’t think you read that first paragraph right that’s not Salomon saying all that that Solomon saying what the evil said to him

  39. Here is a pdf download of the King James Bible from 1611 bible with the 14 “Apocrypha” books


  40. Wisdom of Solomon 2:1
    FOR THE UNGODLY SAID, reasoning with themselves, but NOT ARIGHT…

    So you, dummies, missed this right? The very first line, you missed?

    The very first text that you read, tells you who “SAID” what. Satan sent you, not Our Father. Your article is so filled with evil either because of your lack of understanding or because you’re stupid and evil yourself. You are misleading people. How did you even get a job to write an article that you clearly LACK understanding in? Is that not foolish? How embarrassing.

    Allow me to help you. Let’s begin by PAYING ATTENTION TO THE WORDS THAT WE READ:
    Wisdom of Solomon 2:1
    FOR THE UNGODLY SAID, reasoning with themselves, but NOT ARIGHT…

    Ya clearly missed it. King Solomon is recounting what the UNGODLY SAID. He said just that smh!! He basically said these are NOT my words, but the words of those who do not believe in Elohim. Like I can say what the above comentor said. I would be say: “For Denise Ward said….anyone who is truly enlighten wouldn’t say things in such convoluted ways.” You see how I recounted what someone else said?

    You need a mighty foot up your ass.

  41. Read the first line of the text and come back and rewrite your article. You are embarrassing yourself and this website. I can’t imagine how much credibility you’ve lost from your fallacy. So now we all know this site contains lies, misunderstandings, is also biased, and must be fact-checked prior to believing any productions from you and your site.

    I would like to recommend that you get your eyes checked or take some kind of reading class…I just don’t know how you missed the very first line that gives you the context of the entire chapter, yet you still write a erroneous article. How unfortunate.

  42. Anonhq, can you correct this article?

    This is all wrong. Clearly, this author wrote a very biased, uneducated, painfully incorrect article.

    Even a non-believer can understand this. How? Well, we are reading the same thing but for some reason this author either is not reading and paying attention to the words or was in haste to write something to discredit the scriptures. And I assume this has to be approved prior to publishing so this entire website is now deemed unreliable to now many. This article is so counterproductive to you. Thankfully people are able to see beyond your error but there are those who haven’t and now you’ve mislead them. :’-(

    There is so much fake news, opinionated articles, incorrect articles, biased articles, lying articles, evil articles and this one makes the cut for all of the above. And I’m sure you won’t even try to correct this but just let it lay here until ppl stop commenting on it. But think about the long-term impact his will have on this site. I’ll be sharing this and encouraging others to beware of this webpage and anything that’s of it.

    Maybe this wasn’t intentional yet it doesn’t deny what’s been done. But hopefully one day you’ll come into truth and stop hating on the living Elohim.

    “Let Elohim be true, and every man a liar.”

    Thanks for proving the scriptures although you tried to discredit them and our ancient African leaders. SMH.

  43. I had to laugh at the end when the author said “Whatever is really going on here, we should certainly research it further.” Yeah, the author of this article should have done a WHOLE LOT of research on this before writing this article.

  44. Bless You all. Maybe You might wish to look at the original texts and find out and get to know the god of Abraham and see how the original texts describe the relationship between Jahweh and jesus…You might be a bit shocked. For accurate research into the original texts try watching Gerald Clark ‘s channel on YouTube and I guarantee that Your mind will go through spasms but at least You will get onto the original trail and then You can judge for Yourselves once You see where the Hebrews learned their scriptures and find all Your bible history from many many thousands of years before what we have been told and lied to about.
    Happy research people and I am grateful to be able to put You on to an original track.
    I will be interested to know Your thoughts.

  45. But why would this write up seek to villify King Solomon based on what is quoted here from the said first English Language translation of the Bible when the quoted lines were clearly premised on the following: “For the ungodly said reasoning for themselves, but not aright, …”? Does it not show that that King Solomon, if he actually wrote those words, disapproved all the thoughts contained therein by referring the originators as “ungodly” and “not right” in their thinking?

  46. The Protestants translated the bible to English. The Geneva Bible was translated by followers of Wycliffe who predated Luther.

    We have a copy that was donated to our local lodge. It’s from 1530 or so. I must get a good look at it…

    They also were first to translate to Irish Gaelic and Scots Gaelic. Ditto Manx Gaelic which was never writen before and the phonets based on a Yorkshire Old English dialect preserve it’s sound as in pronunciation Manx is between Scots and Irish.

    Get your facts right. First English Catholic bible is from 1700 or so…

  47. The Catholic had the books removed but do they still appear in the Jewish and Muslim verses ? I have no idea does anyone else ?

  48. This is such a big lie. One thing im very sure of is that Solomon never wrote this book, God almighty will never allow that to happen. Holy spirit is d author of d bible, so ders no way dat things lyk dese will be said in d bible. Now there are multiple versions of bible, n catholics follow 2 bibles, one given 2 d crowd, n one(d real one) only d priest uses. D real bible contains only 66 books,it was organised verse by verse. Word of God says -let no man remove or add anything to this(revelation), hence d odr bible wid 66+ buks is a wrong one n d multiple extra buks r added priests or as they col themselves d saints. Let’s not defile d word of God, by defiling its authenticity. God Bless

  49. Sorry, Doug Machin, it clearly sounds like your just a pawn and have no clout in the FMs. Go back to sleep and keep paying your dues!

  50. I don’t the writer of this piece really knows his Bible. The Vatican DID NOT REMOVE THOSE BOOKS. They are still there in the Catholic Bible. It is the Protestants who removed them, claiming that they were not included in the Jewish Bible (following the decision of the Council of Jamnia to remove them from the Septuagint simply because these were being used by Christians for their doctrinal claims). So, in effect wht the Protestants have adopted is an Old Testament that is, from the Jewish standpoint, anti Christian.

  51. I am confused. If the the old testament contained 80 books why they removed 14 books …we know the bible is a wholly book ,nobody can Chang or amends or edit ,coz this is the book from God..Pls admin continue to point out what’s in more rest 13 books…

  52. So much wrong with this article i cant even begin…

    They’re talking about the apocrypha which are still found in Catholic bibles. They are not in Protestant Bibles because the both the ancient jews and the ancient church did not consider them Scripture and/or couldn’t verify their authorship. 1611 translation was English Protestants, not Catholics, and translation was from Hebrew and Greek, not Latin.

    Etc, etc, etc. this author needs to spend 15 minutes on wikipedia.

  53. any religion that instill fear, guilt, disempowerment of the people is false. when we have fear they have control. they say we are sinners and unworthy but in fact we are beautiful spiritual beings which is the same as His own image and likeness. He does not judge.as long as we love ourselves and do things for the good of everyone. unconditional love. thats what we are. religion separates us. it so obvious. they’ve been runbbing itnoj our face yet a lot of us are still sleeping and blinded.its time to look at everything in a different perscpective have an open heart and mind and you will find the answers you were looking for. time to wake up and bot become sheeps. peace be with you all!

  54. Es el artículo -quizá uno de los artículos- más estúpido y fantasioso que he leído. En primera instancia, porque para cualquier católico medianamente informado el canon de la Biblia es de 73 libros. (80 menos 14 dejaría 66 según este blog.) Quienes no tienen algunos libros de los mencionados en sus biblias son los hermanos separados, comúnmente llamados protestantes. Es decir, Tobías, Judit, Sabiduría, Eclesiastés, Baruc, 1 y 2 Macabeos, y algunos fragmentos de Daniel y Esther sí aparecen en las biblias católicas. Lo pueden consultar en cualquier biblia católica online, vg: http://www.bibliacatolica.com.br

  55. So then no one willl check that when the Hebrews were captive in Babylon they saw the much older Sumerian tablets and adopted these creation and flood stories etc ?

  56. This is wrong and completely backwards. All of those books are IN the Catholic bible – they were removed from all copies of the Protestant bible.

    Dude. RESEARCH.

  57. The rebuttal to this article is in the first verse of the quoted excerpt.

    Solomon is not saying he does these things. He is saying the unrighteous and unspiritual do those things.

  58. i bet all yall jesus lovers eat pork…….now that’s some funny shit..talking bout read yo bible…Christians yall should be stand up comedians..i need a good laugh…

    • Many plants and some creatures are poisonous to humans, but the pig is not one of them. Nowhere does it actually tell you why you can’t eat pig. And besides, if everyone on the planet ate bacon there wouldn’t be any wars.

  59. I’m Catholic annd just like Presidents and their administrations all leaders and their staff are subject to corruption. It makes is I than any other organization. Also……Council of Nicea…..Book of Thomas, Book of Enoch, Book of Philip and Book of Mary Magdelene they aren’t in there either they were removed by Constantine in 427A.D.. TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH……NOT JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO FORWARD AN AGENDA

  60. you fuckers. it wasnt SOLOMON talking ill about jesus. he was telling a story of what the ungodly were thinking and planning for jesus
    the very first verse……………for the started to converse among them selves
    Fuck you bring the previous and the nect chapter if you forgot to elliminate chapter one…..
    so the fact that the ungodly had said that “let us see i

  61. Conspiratorial nonsense. Those books were always known in the Latin edition as the Apocrypha and were not included in the English translation because of that. You won’t find them in the Protestant St. James version either. The Apocrypha have always been non-canonical, as determined by the Council of Rome under Pope Damasus I in 382 CE.

  62. Judaism and Christianity are two different ideologies and therefore 2 religion. The God the Israelites worshipped was Marduk..
    The catholic have those books as part of their canon. It is the Protestant that removed them.

  63. I have read a copy of the so-called “the other bible” and it contains nothing tangible beyond the present bible. Many people left scripts flying about of their thoughts and account of their time including the now popular 6th & 7th book of Moses. Believe me, the council acted wisely.

  64. Do all of you believe in fairy tales? The bible is the biggest fairy tale of all. These books were written by mortal men who had vivid imaginations and who wished to control the masses. Can anyone explain why God asked a guy to kill his own son? Why he flooded the planet cause he was pissed? Why isn’t “an eye for an eye” OK now? And where the fvck is the Garden of Eden? If Adam & Eve only had two sons where did we all come from and why are there so many different races of people? At what point was it no longer in vogue to sacrifice animals to God? When did God change from a vindictive, wrathful, harsh entity as depicted in the Old testament to the All loving, forgiving, merciful God of the new testament.

  65. With all due respect to everybody;

    1. Where does the title “GOD” comes from?
    2. When was the Old Testament written? Were all 5 books written at the same time period?
    3. When was the New Testament written? Why did a NEW testament had to be written?

    Thank you very kindly.

  66. It grieves my heart when people say the bible contradicts itself. You dont understand our God; that’s why.
    It is not to be read as a newspaper. The bible has deeper meaning to every single sentence and it takes the holy spirit to lead you to understand.

    Story of Naomie, Ruth and Boaz talks about a kinsman redeemer; a type of what Jesus will do for the gentiles….
    Even love poems in Songs of Solomon has it place.

    Noah preached for 120 years and the rains lasted 40 days and nights. But the waters filled the face of the earth for 150 days. PLEASE READ IT WELL!

    Genesis 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

    Genesis 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

    God is not man to contradict himself. He is alpha and omega!

    • rest assured my friend, do not let your faith in God be moved for the BIBLE has already prophesied this short comings of false doctrines and vile works of the devil to lure many and lead them astray by lies and twisting of the truth…… always remember the BIBLE is inspired by GOD only written by men through the leading and guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT, therefore being composed by God himself as author of this good book how it was compiled as it has reached us to this age it was all meant by the author; GOD himself. In the few last chapter of Johns book of Revelation the Holy Spirit spoke through John, “to everyone that has ears let him hear what the HOLY SPIRIT is saying, that whosoever taketh from this book or shall add upon it, shall he be cursed to doom with diseases of many kinds”.

  67. Seems like who wrote this article missed the very first line “1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.” which tells us that Solomon was writing what the ‘ungodly’ common people were saying, not what he himself was saying.

  68. This is a total blasphemy. I don’t follow what these mind twisting people are saying and never will. I am a strong believer of JESUS and his ministry on earth and beyond. Can’t you people see that, the more efforts you put in to rubbish CHRIST, the stronger his NAME becomes. You are so inwardly blind to see the reality.

  69. All lies …. all the Books you mentioned are still part of The Old Testament ….. And The Bible was Translated from Latin only in England ,,,, Although The official Biblical Language is in fact GREEK, however, major Biblical Connotations were all intended in Aramei …. Even Mathew wrote his book in Aramei, and The Old Testament was re – written in Aramei …. so please stop posting lies and nonesense and post truth

  70. I’m pretty sure that the books listed are in the Catholic bible. These books were removed by Protestants because they taught things that contradicted them. (Purgatory, Prayers for the dead, etc.)

  71. Others have already pointed it out, but this is just a spectacularly ignorant article, and single-handedly goes a long way to undermine anything else being done in the name of Anon. To simply ignore the fact that this passage begins with an explicit mention of the fact that this is how the “ungodly” argue, and that they do so wrongly… oh, never mind. There just aren’t words for how idiotic that makes the author look.

  72. Check your facts. These books are still in Catholic Bibles. The Protestants removed them, not the Vatican. This article makes you sound like your research is very poor.

  73. You got it all wrong. According to your write-up in verse 1. It says ‘The ungodly said to themselves’ so it was’nt solomon speaking rather he was only quoting what the ungodly people said.

  74. Could you please go through you article here and edit the mistakes, it’s an awesome investigation but I’ve found even little mistakes like this take away from the credibility of the writer. I do believe you deserve all the crediblitie possible for this seed of thought you’ve planted here.

    In this first edition you will also actually find that Jesus’ name is spelled IESUS and pronounced Yahashua. So why then does everyone continue to call him Jesus, when the letter J ?{did not even being used at the time?}?

  75. The birth of JESUS CHRIST has been for told before creation of human kind, is not Solomon that first prophecies the birth of our Saviour (JESUS).

  76. Never liked Solomon, instincts confirmed, no surprise at all…
    Royal son of great King David often cannot live up to their father, Another George Bush Junior, and his dad weren’t all that anyway

  77. You’ve got a whole lot of homework to do sir. These are obviously the Deuterocanonical books which, ironically, had always been in the Catholic Canon until about 1828 when protesting translators of the King James ‘cabal’ felt otherwise. You could call them the Protestants, if you will. By the way sir, nothing special happened in the year 1684… all of the components of the afore article are a total bunkum and balderdash! A little questioning never misleads a discerning fellow. ✌

  78. Who so ever has published this write up is not just a FOOL,but also an ILLITERATE…Talking about translation…words are bound to change one it is being translated…Considering certain words is the first bible and its translated versions to Hebrew and English,lot of words changed,which is very normal and unarguable …On the other hand,why will you quote the bible and misinterpret it for those who do not know how to understand or know how to read…You heard yourself saying” AND THE UNGODLY WILL SAY UNTO THEM SELVES”…Then the conversation started..till the end of the verse,Solomon even mentioned CATEGORICALLY that this is not right…He only gave example of things the UNGODLY will do in time to come..Then why will you say they Solomon has said all these as what he wants to do,or what he intends to do?.. Do you now see that its a clear misinterpretation of what the Holy Book has said,and on this ground,who so ever has published this will suffer spiritually for this.

  79. “For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves,” he is not talking about himself. He is making reference to how the ungodly think. This article is slander.

  80. These books are there in Catholic Bible. Not Catholic Church deceive people but the Protestant. Because this Church was the only church founded by the Christ through his holy apostles

  81. Saying Solomon worshipped others apart from God is popostrous! The quran predicted said they will call him (Solomon) a magician who worshipped other gods I’m not surprised of this article

  82. In this last days, we will come up against false prophets and doctrines that will test your faith to the wire. The devil never sleeps, and so should we. We are fighting an unfair battle because our enemy is unseen. In these last days, God would never want us to be more confused then when we were when we found Christ and the truth in the first place. Whatever God wrote in the bible was meant for us and our salvation. He did not complicate the bible so that we would be more lost in this forever confusing world. He knew the confusion would come from the world to further us from him so he made the bible in such a way so that we night be closer to him no matter what. He is God and he knew that the book of Genesis to Revelation would be sufficient for us. Every single word in these books were made perfect with power and explained without the wisdom of men so that the message of Christ at the cross was not robbed off it’s power. God is simple to simple people and he designed a simple plan in order for us to live a simple life to archive his simple purpose. All this is archived by a simple manual God perfected just for us which is called the bible[ from genesis to revelation]. He only summarized what was needed to win us back to himself because he loves us so much, he will always coach us along the way with simple instruction that we could understand to finish this race. Any other book that was omitted from the bible was meant to be because it does not concern our salvation and would only waste our time because time is something that we don’t have control off and is very short. If you understand that God is love, his unlimited love was shown by giving up his only begotten son to die for us, then you would understand why God kept the bible as simple as it is. Even the dark world works in favor of God’s purpose, and they just don’t know it yet. He is God. An example is this: If the world knew God’s plan for our salvation, then they would have never crucified Christ. My advise to you is to ask God for wisdom and he will surely give it to those who earnestly seek it to understand only the things you need to know. God loves us and he would never hide anything from us. But if he did, it was for a very good reason. Why would we wanna know how God was created when in fact he created us to understand why we was created. We get involved in things that does not concern us and our mind trys to play God in trying to understand all these things, so we end up assuming and think that it’s the truth. Look what happened to Adam and Eve..Eve thought that it was good to eat because she heard it from the serpent. Be careful of what you here and just hold on to the things of truth that you already have inside you that the holy spirit puts into your heart. Be blessed brothers and sisters and ask God to reveal to you the truth in this last days through his word. From me here in the Fiji Islands. Bula!!

  83. Your so called God of Abraham/Yahweh is really ENLIL son of Anu.
    In the garden of Eden when he forbade the eating the fruit from the tree of Knowledge saying it would kill them (Adam n Eve)
    Yahweh lied didn’t he because his brother ENKI knew this and has been made into a serpent lol. He did carry the Caduceus which showed him to be the creator of humanity and Enki loved his creation and even upgraded us but Yahweh didn’t like us and tried to wipe us out several times but each time his brother ENKI saved us.
    Check the translations of the Sumerian Cuneiform tablets by Oxford scholars and they will give You the ORIGINAL history of creation instead of Yahweh’s propaganda version.
    Enjoy finding the truth !

  84. Well dear Anon Void. I suggest that You check some of the many Sumerian Cuneiform Clay Tablets that have now been translated by many scholars. It is beyond doubt that the old testament was plagiarised from the Ancient Sumerian history which details many of the stories that were copied into the old testament. Yahweh is Enlil and his brother is ENKI who genetically engineered humanity and Enki loved his creation which is why after several times when Enlil/Yahweh tried to wipe us out that ENKI saved us like when he got Noah to build the Ark. Just research for Yourself.

  85. Fake news. The 1611 translation was not the first English translation, and was undertaken by command of the Protestant English King James I (also King of Protestant Scotland as James VI). So the Roman Catholic Vatican had no authority to included or exclude books from this Bible or from its 1684 reprint. Because you accuse the Vatican (i.e. the Roman Catholic Church) of conspiracy, make sure you have your basic facts straight. And as for why we call Jesus Jesus and not IESUS, well you should ask why we call Peter Peter, Mary Mary, Pope John Paul Pope John Paul or Joan of Arc Joan of Arc – they’re just anglicised versions of names from a different language. Duh.
    Rarely have I read such twaddle.

  86. Oh dear! What a poorly, uneducated bit of nonsense!! Firstly, the 1611 King James Bible was not translated from the Latin, it was a translation from the Hebrew (OT) and Greek (NT). Secondly, the books you quote from is called the Apocrypha, & was placed between the Testaments in 1611, but never classed as part of canonical Scripture, which is why they were put between the Testaments. And it wasn’t the RC Church that excluded them in later editions. Jesus never quoted the Apocryphal writings, nor the Apostles. Do your research before posting & re-posting fake news.

  87. My thoughts are when he refers to “He”, the reader should observe themselves and reflect if they fit the model of God’s son, and if they don’t, they should follow his advice and indulge.

  88. How do you write an article on Bible verses without being able to identify context? Try understanding what you read before writing an article to educate others on it.

  89. What Solomon was stating here was from his insight about what the unrighteous and ungodly say in themselves, and yes he was speaking about the coming of the Son of God which is Yeshua and what would be assumed by those in another generation who would kill Him

  90. Solomon was prophesying, this is not another side or dark side of him but rather a misunderstood passage by those unlearned. Because those unlearned in wisdom, knowledge, and understanding seek these passages in darkness not being revealed to them because of unbelief.

  91. Obviously these were discarded, because they aren’t authentic. Nice prelude of ‘corruption’, when that’s exactly what the Cathars were. They were Islamists seeking to distort Christianity. Rejecting the Trinity? That’s Islam! Note the places they were – bulgaria, italy, all places that were subjected to Ottoman/ Islamic rule. Just as the ‘Gospel of Barnabas’ is laughed at because its obviously someone forging up a book to justify Mohammed’s claims.

    • Bulgaria, not yet occupied by Ottomans at time of Cathars. (Ottomans proper not a force until end of c13) Italy purged of muslims by Normans. Anyway, big Cathar centre was southern France, where Islam as such had no hegemony.

  92. , if christianity has such in it, its a sign that there is some thing wrong with the bible and the kind of worship there.

    because even Christmas day is not in the bibles and when you get to read about its origin am sorry to say but its evil-like

    in Vatican some popes caught doing sodomy etc………..

    alot of crap in Christianity
    there is a very big problem.

    try to reading the Qur’an

  93. The Catholic church didn’t remove these books. The Protestant church did, which brings the credibility of this site down to zero as far as I’m concerned. At least I know not to trust anything written here.

  94. Who is Jesus Christ ?? Who is God ?? Jesus can be nothing more then what you have read or what you have been told. It is the spirit within that is the true God, the true Jesus. The readings, and the teachings just reafirm our true nature and connection with God / the universe.

  95. We know all the answers, we are just remembering them… Our connection with God (?) is in the journey, in the seeking, in the questioning,…,’seek and ye shall find’, find what?! a relationship within where words are irrelevant…a knowing, a trusting,….hmmmmmmmm…could that be what they call ‘faith’? …just pieces of a puzzle where each has his own destiny, free will only exists in how long you choose to get there, we affect others and they affect us, oh yes, another puzzle piece has fit in… faith only comes about on a completely personal level, no ones words have any meaning for you, only the words that come to you as an individual, that ‘knowing’ on the inside is your faith, trust that only, for that is the voice of your creator…the only truth is the one you find within you…hear nothing else and listen to nothing else, go within and he is there…truth

  96. Ask yourself; if you had never been told of a God, Jesus, the Bible, etc. then would you have any belief in a higher being? Would you even wonder? Would you care? I believe I would…

  97. The key in interpretation: Read the first line carefully. Solomon says:

    “For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves”

    The entire passage is referring to what the ungodly said (or still says) of the just man. That is why all verses beyond it sounds like a condoning of a hedonistic lifestyle and persecution of those who believe in God. If the first verse is missed, the rest is taken out of context.

    If ever verse began with “For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright,” there would be no room for misinterpretation by reading only a portion of the text.

  98. The truth is when u don’t have Christ in u, devil fills ur heart with doubt, if u want to research about christ existence why don’t u go to isreal and ask the Jews about Christ ,though the didn’t believe in him but the knew him ,Jesus is not a Roman so why would u seek about him from Roman authors what did the Romans as at that time know about Jesus, the were busy running their empire government,the only heard about Jesus,if u want to know about someone or a people go to their culture and history not somewhere else ,I have experienced the power of Christ, ranging from my younger brother sitting and floating on a river before he was rescued to the point of battling with whiches to that fact that I am alive despite the exposure to death,I want to share this particular testimony about Jesus ,me and my brother had a fight with about six to seven men towards the end of the fight one of them came through my back hit me with 2 by 2 plank ,i lost a lot of blood and was near to death,I used my last breath to plead with Jesus to forgive me of all my sins and immediately my life was restored without any medical attention ,so if u have not experienced Jesus pray to God to have a
    personal experience with Jesus ,ur salvation is what matters to God ,Jesus said blessed are those who have not seen and
    yet believed,the Koran recognized Jesus,Judaism also recognized Jesus though the didn’t believe believe he is a saviour ,except jesus as your personal lord and saviour whether u have seen or not and u shall be saved

  99. .
    That’s not true. It’s a blatant lie. The only time books were removed from the Bible happened during the Protestant Reformation. After Martin Luther was excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church he questioned which books were supposed to be part of the Biblical canon. At various times he advocated removing Hebrews, James, Jude, and the Book of Revelation. However when he translated the Bible into German, he kept them.

    Luther chose to move a group of books called the Apocrypha (or Deuterocanon) to a separate section between the Old and New Testament. These books included: Tobit, Judith, additions to the Book of Esther, the Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Song of the Three Children, Story of Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, Prayer of Manasses, 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabee. Luther removed 1 Esdras and 2 Esdras altogether.

    He did this for a couple reasons. One is that he disagreed with a few doctrines the Roman Catholic Church derived from these books, like Purgatory and prayers for the dead. Another was that they were not found in the Masoretic Text (the Jewish canon.)

    Other Protestant Reformers removed them altogether and most Protestants (except for Anglicans/Episcopalians and Lutherans) use a Bible that doesn’t have the Apocrypha. That is why there is variance between the Protestant and Roman Catholic Bibles.


  100. The truth is this;
    The old testament has Gods commandment, statutes, and laws.
    Live by them!
    And seek God continually, Fear and Love him!
    Fear you don’t err from his commandment, statutes, and laws.
    While we are here, God will prove us. Or more simply put he will test us to find which ones are most worthy and trust worthy to our Lord God.
    If you pass your proving in life, then you will be excepted into heaven.
    If you do not pass your proving then you will end up in the fiery lake for all eternity.
    Don’t pray to Jesus, Pray to God! “for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God”
    Jesus was sent to prove us and to prophecy.
    And don’t believe anything that says contrary to what is written in the old testament!
    Remember, God proveth you.

  101. Solomon is back today. Bat-Shua gave birth to him In this life. Believe it or not, Solomon is a Saint, just as his father, King David and mother Bathsheba (bat-Shua) are also. Here today are Saints Uriah, Tamar and David’s entire family. Bat-Shua is married to Uriah in this life. King David had quite a lot of clout, and he asked God Our Father not to punish Solomon, because he was his son and he was anointed as King. God did as King David wished, and He punished Solomon’s children back then ….. David wanted Solomon’s name to be placed in the book of life. King David also asked God, to bring Uriah into Heaven because of his own remorse for having killed his dearest friend and General. The saints are just now, being awaken.
    Solomon today is married to the same woman from a foreign country with foreign gods, that he was married to when he was King of Israel. They have two young boys. Solomon is facing the same trials that he faced back when he was King. God wants Solomon to come back to him along with all people of the earth. Solomon’s wife today, also worships daemons, (hence, comes the story of the Ring of Solomon that the Pope wears today. Solomon’s wife, today, will not allow a picture of Jesus in her house. God will remove her from this life, if she doesn’t soften and turn to God. But in her defense, she is schizophrenic and bipolar with other mental disorders. One of their children is Leikem (not sure about the spelling) who was Solomon’s illegitimate son with Sheba who came from Ethiopia I believe. The second son is also one of their previous children.
    Solomon today is an alcoholic just as he became back in the day, once the Temple was complete. As Solomon, he didn’t have an drink until that day, then he married his wife and they both drank to excess. This is going on today. But, the saints are waking up. The prophet who woke King David and his family, is working with Solomon today. They were living their lives as usual without much knowledge of who they were until about 2015, when they were awakened by a prophet. The prophet was A female this time.
    King David had memories of the palace in Jerusalem, as did Bat-Shua, and King David is married to his first wife Mical,(not Bat-Shua, who got word from God the Father to stay far from David,) and his children’s names are (all 3 boys) Christian, Nathan and Jonathan. (unknowingly named after Jesus, Nathan the prophet, and Jonathan (David’s best friend) son of Saul.)
    King David’s job will be to stand with Jesus on Judgement Day and to send Angels into Hell to retrieve the ‘unworthy’ (whom he said are the addicted souls) and bring them into Heaven.
    An interesting fact is that All of the saints including Paul the apostle, were born in the same area, were baptized Roman Catholic as babies, and still practice today, and they all knew that their past life memories were real but couldn’t explain it. The reason that the Saints are back is by God’s Will, in preparation for Tribulations which is about to befall us with the blowing of the forth trumpet.

  102. *** Iesus…. This is why Obama formed ISIL which he later called ISIS from the Muslim Brotherhood,… He blasphemes and knows more than we do about God’s work, because he’s been here since the beginning doing destruction

  103. One more thing if I may…… Before the Messiah came, there were very few in Heaven…. It was not until Jesus came and descended into Hell, that he rescued souls brought them to Heaven. People didn’t get saved back then, and didn’t talk about being saved or going to Heaven because no one was guaranteed Heaven as an outcome until Jesus came, which was a thousand or so years after Solomon.

  104. Bunkum all of this. I am Catholic and we have all the 14 books you said the Church removed. So you lied there. I also speak Hebrew and Aramaic. Jesus name in Aramaic is Yeshu or in Syriac it is Isho. In Hebrew it is Yeshua. The Y became Latin J in transliteration and a Masculine gender s was added. YOu people are morons.

  105. They were originally in the Hebrew Bible and OT then removed to a separate section, then removed completely, and now they are coming back in some versions.
    These are called Biblical apocrypha (from the Greek apókruphos, meaning “hidden”) denotes the collection of ancient books found in some editions of Christian Bibles in a separate section between the Old and New Testaments or as an appendix after the New Testament.
    The Septuagint, the ancient and best known Greek version of the Old Testament, contains books and additions that are not present in the Hebrew Bible. These texts are not traditionally segregated into a separate section, nor are they usually called apocrypha. Rather, they are referred to as the Anagignoskomena, “things that are read” or “profitable reading”. The anagignoskomena are Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Jesus ben Sira (Sirach), Baruch, Letter of Jeremiah (in the Vulgate this is chapter 6 of Baruch), additions to Daniel (The Prayer of Azarias, Susanna and Bel and the Dragon), additions to Esther, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 1 Esdras, i.e. all of the Deuterocanonical books plus 3 Maccabees and 1 Esdras.
    Some editions add additional books, such as Psalm 151 or the Odes (including the Prayer of Manasses). 2 Esdras is added as an appendix in the Slavonic Bibles and 4 Maccabees as an appendix in Greek editions. Some Christian Churches include some or all of the same texts within the body of their version of the Old Testament. Jerome completed his version of the Bible, the Latin Vulgate, in 405. In the Middle Ages the Vulgate became the de facto standard version of the Bible in the West.
    The Vulgate manuscripts included prologues that Jerome clearly identified certain books of the Vulgate Old Testament as apocryphal or non-canonical. Apocrypha are well attested in surviving manuscripts of the Christian Bible. (See, for example, Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, Codex Alexandrinus, Vulgate, and Peshitta.) After the Lutheran and Catholic canons were defined by Luther (c. 1534) and Trent (8 April 1546) respectively, early Protestant editions of the Bible (notably the Luther Bible in German and 1611 King James Version in English) did not omit these books, but placed them in a separate Apocrypha section apart from the Old and New Testaments to indicate their status.
    Gutenberg Bible famous edition of the Vulgate was published in 1455. Like the manuscripts it was based on, the Gutenberg Bible lacked a specific Apocrypha section; its Old Testament included the books that Jerome considered apocryphal.
    Martin Luther translated the Bible into German with a complete Bible in 1534. His Bible was the first major edition to have a separate section called Apocrypha. In 1592, Pope Clement VIII published his revised edition of the Vulgate, referred to as the Sixto-Clementine Vulgate. He moved three books not found in the canon of the Council of Trent from the Old Testament into an appendix.
    The English-language King James Version (KJV) of 1611 followed the lead of the Luther Bible in using an inter-testamental section labelled “Books called Apocrypha”, or just “Apocrypha” at the running page header. The KJV followed the Geneva Bible of 1560 almost exactly. The section contains the 14 books.
    The British Puritan revolution of the 1600s brought a change in the way many British publishers handled the apocryphal material associated with the Bible. The Puritans used the standard of Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) to determine which books would be included in the canon. The Westminster Confession of Faith, composed during the British Civil Wars (1642–1651), excluded the Apocrypha from the canon. The Confession provided the rationale for the exclusion: ‘The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of divine inspiration, are no part of the canon of the Scripture, and therefore are of no authority in the church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved, or made use of, than other human writings’. Thus, Bibles printed by English Protestants who separated from the Church of England began to exclude these books.
    All King James Bibles published before 1666 included the Apocrypha, though separately to denote them as not equal to Scripture proper, as noted by Jerome in the Vulgate, to which he gave the name, “The Apocrypha.” In 1826, the National Bible Society of Scotland petitioned the British and Foreign Bible Society not to print the Apocrypha, resulting in a decision that no BFBS funds were to pay for printing any Apocryphal books anywhere. Since that time most modern editions of the Bible and reprintings of the King James Bible omit the Apocrypha section. Modern non-Catholic reprintings of the Clementine Vulgate commonly omit the Apocrypha section. Many reprintings of older versions of the Bible now omit the apocrypha and many newer translations and revisions have never included them at all.
    There are some exceptions to this trend, however. Some editions of the Revised Standard Version and the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible include not only the Apocrypha listed above, but also the third and fourth books of Maccabees, and Psalm 151.
    The American Bible Society lifted restrictions on the publication of Bibles with the Apocrypha in 1964. The British and Foreign Bible Society followed in 1966. The Stuttgart edition of the Vulgate (the printed edition, not most of the on-line editions), which is published by the UBS, contains the Clementine Apocrypha as well as the Epistle to the Laodiceans and Psalm 151. In Greek circles, however, these books are not traditionally called Apocrypha, but Anagignoskomena, and are integrated into the Old Testament.

  106. Comment: em,it all depends on how you want to take this apart,solomon clearly had the gift of vision,and he was a scholar who read and wrote a lot of books,the simple logic to it is that he wrote these aforementioned books clearly after he must have been seduced by smaller gods,he didnt loose his vision,damn right he was talking bout jesus and his death on the cross,at the hands of men of vile and crude character of whom solomon was now affiliated with.he was a good man but became bad at some point and the catholic church simply wanted to preserve his long standing reputation as the greatest n wisest man of his generation by editing and omitting some of his works

  107. First of all to answer the first question is talking about what the people who are against Gods people plan to do to them. They came together in a counsel against Gods people according to Psalms 2:1-11 and Psalm 83: the whole chapter.
    For the second question the vatican removed it because they never wanted the books to be translated in the first place they wanted full control over the records because the roman’s were and still are pagans, and they wanted their religion to above all other religion are belief on the earth because it would help them gain power and also keep them in power. Also the those books shad a light on how they came into power and what they would do to stay in power instead of learning from the words of the disciples and turning from paganism and following the true Christ not the babylonian christ that they worship and have convinced the whole world to worship.
    3. You say Solomon sounds crazy and evil, but if you read verse 1 you will see that Solomon is talking from the position of those that are wicked and conspiring against a people, he is not speaking of what he wants to do himself because he comes from the very people that this wicked leaders are against and want to destroy.
    4. Solomon is talking about both Christ and his people because all the torture killing and oppression continued and still continues till this day well after Christ died and resurrected.
    5. If you read carefully you see that Solomon is not expressing what he wants to do but what the wicked men in high places have set in their hearts to do, hence (Wisdom of Solomon 2:1
    1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves,)
    In verse one he is clearly prophesying of what the wicked men are conspiring, no himself.

    • Amen! Yes! I pray people will understand that. Btw, I strongly believe that the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon in Revelation 17

  108. Take some advise from a carpenter honey.”Measure twice and cut once” If you don’t get that, here is another one, always check your work. If nothing works do what I do, pray. Just so we are clear pray to God in Jesus Christ name.

  109. The vatican is a wolf in sheep clothes. They were never of the holy trinity. They change the bible to their befitting. Which is wrong, and a sin in its self. Whom are they to judge the books of the bible. Whom are they to take from the bible, and to make it contridict the truth by changing words in the bible. God, I pray the vatican are punished, and that another country do right were they were wrong. To become a new sanctum. May it be in Saint Petersburg, Russia. Amen.

  110. Read the first verse of the wisdom of Solomon above. It is not Solomon who says all these things. It is the ungodly who say it. Solomon is saying this is what the ungodly say!

  111. The scriptures above that Solomon wrote or said,he was talking about the ungodly people that was their thought.The verse 1.Solomon was not included as ungodly,
    read the scripture and consider his Grammar.

  112. Solomon is clearly not speaking on behalf of himself, but of the thoughts, conversation and plans of those who were the who’s who of the time and unrighteous. In the verses presented, He begins with”For the ungodly said reasoning with themselves”…Something he would have been privy to due to his connections and status…yet having been righteous and wise himself….It would have served to remove this because it surmises the plans of the powers that be to use their positions to corrupt…and that they have and continue to do…while those still blind to it continue to put their trust in them instead of God


    Wisdom of Solomon 2:1-24

    1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.

  113. I really have no foundation in the bible? too many conflicting stories and hidden truth behind most stories i heard as a child, can someone enlighten me how the freemason found solomon as their foundation mantle for their works.

  114. This passage is not properly interpreted. The passage starts off by saying “For the ungodly SAID, reasoning with themselves…. Let us fill ourselves with costly wine and ointments… etc.” Solomon is quoting “the ungodly,” he is not speaking for himself and therefore does not have an “evil” or “dark” side. He then goes on to say that “the ungodly” say, “Let us lie in wait for for the RIGHTEOUS; because he is not for our turn, and he is clean contrary to our doings. He professeth to have the knowledge of God: and he calleth himself the Child of the Lord.” Solomon is not referring to Jesus. Solomon is quoting things “the ungodly” say about “righteous men.”

  115. Each an every one of you should read the book of Enoch, why it was excluded from the Bible, and then you will know that alot of truth has been hidden from man.

  116. This Article is TOTAL TOSH!
    The Cartholic Bible has always contained 73 books, since first agreed circa 380AD…..until today!

    So they never removed ANY books as described above!
    Only Luther removed 6 books in the 16th Century to make a new Protestant list of scriptures that fitted his new religion (eg deleting Maccabees because it instanced prayers for the dead)

    In about 367 AD, St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. Later Councils at Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) ratified this list of 73 books. In 405 AD, Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse reaffirming this canon of 73 books. In 419 AD, the Council of Carthage reaffirmed this list, which Pope Boniface agreed to. The Council of Trent, in 1546, in response to the Reformation removing 7 books from the canon (canon is a Greek word meaning “standard”), reaffirmed the original St. Athanasius list of 73 books.

    So half of the books in the list are in my bible & every bible I’ve owned.

  117. Its not Solomon saying that you moron. Its him referring to what ungodly people say in their hearts who have no regard for truth. Man the people here, How dumb could you get. This shows how dumb to hell your observance is when it comes to finding out basic sentence structures in the English language and to whom they are pertaining to. Really so much comments and no one pointed this stupid FACT out…. IM done… -_-

  118. This is just double sided history , which nobody then is on earth to give fully correctly what happened . so let’s us continued to enjoy our divine Bible , trust in Jesus and believed in God Almighty .

  119. Whoever wrote this did not read the first verse:
    1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright,
    Solomon is condemning the ungodly who are unrighteously reasoning among themselves in this manner! It was not Solomon uttering this jibberish. He is not condoning them, but bringing light to their foolishness!

  120. S/O to John Austin

    Whoever wrote this did not read the first verse:
    1 For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright,
    Solomon is condemning the ungodly who are unrighteously reasoning among themselves in this manner!

    Solomon often used first person to express the thoughts of “mere” men. It’s not just here but also in Ecclesiastes … They probably voted it off because people like those herein would take it out of context and use it in wickedness.

  121. we were created in his image but how can that be we all look different, its our brain without it we are nothing, the general difference is that men’s brains are larger not necessary smarter, and why do men have Adams apples, Is that some kind of physical proof of who actually ate the apple, and why did the creator made the males penis and balls the weakest part of their body

  122. If you live a good life and try to follow the way of Jesus and His teachings then surely that should be all you need to worry about ….Of course were not Jesus so we will stumble and mess up at times, sometimes we wont even know when we are doing wrong even though we will think we are doing right and vice versa…stop worrying God is LOVE He came down to save us from our sins by what happened at Calvary…so in a nutshell just try to live a good life….and at the end of this journey Jesus will meet you and prepare you for your next journey …so stop worrying about books and bibles and who is and isnt right ..just each and eveyone of us …learn to be at peace with one another , try to live in accordance to Jesus, which isnt easy for us mere mortals and there you have it ..simples but hard to put into practice…at least up in the new life you wont remember all this of the old..so what you say now and what you do now will all be put to bed and you will start over a fresh in the new life with Jesus eternally…and only then will God reveal the mystery …exciting it may all sound, exciting it will be..but we havent to wish our lives away here we have a job to do no matter how hard, we have to learn the true meaning of love..then love each other as God Loves us .GodBless You all

    • This is in complete contradiction to Scripture, which is the Sovereign Word of God. Jesus is THE ONLY way back to God. He is not a roadmap, a guide, a “warning sign.” He is THE WAY. Period. If you do not surrender and accept him as your Saviour and are not indwelled with his Spirit, you cannot stand in the presence of God. This is not my opinion, this is God’s Word. And I want to explain why:
      God is Pure Love and Completely Holy. We are a fallen people and are “as filthy rags” compared to his glorious state. It makes sense that the Most High of perfect Love could not be in the presence of wickedness and sin (our natural nature). As a way for us to be with him, he sent Jesus to atone for our wickedness. Jesus took on all of our filth (sin) onto himself, so that when we accept and believe in the fact that he did this for us, he will put his Spirit inside of us, so when the day comes that we stand before the Lord, he sees the Spirit of his Son, not our wretched soul. It is actually a beautiful and perfect plan, and that is why Christ is the ONLY way back to God. Actually, it’s quite logical. It’s a perfect plan.
      The Scripture says to beware of false prophets. They are sneaky, and will cloak everything in “love” and “unity” and bring it right up to the edge of truth, but quietly leave out the ONE truth that actually matters- the ONLY way back to God is with the indwelling of the ruach hakodesh (Holy Spirit) and the ONLY way to have that is to admit your nature is sinful, you NEED Christ to atone for you, you believe what he did (died on the cross, took our sin onto himself, and defeated death by rising three days later) and you ACCEPT his gift by exchanging your broken soul for his Spirit of God (Love).
      You HAVE to be a Christian to be in the presence of God. Because a true Christian has the spirit of God abiding in him, ONLY because they accepted the beautiful and free gift that Jesus offers us.

  123. Jesus( the power of love) never wanted us to follow him but his actions( love one another). Not to worship him, but try to be like him by being just and accept every situation as a way to wisdom. This is exactly what was the intention for all, but just because some people do not want us to be wise, they will keep this true purpose to them self… if you disagree with my statement, you surely are a christian or some other form of religion because of what was thought to you by someone who was thought by someone, who was thought by someone, who was thought by someone…………… who wanted to keep the secret of the book to them self. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the ruler as useful.

  124. Comment: Many people die without knowing God because their patriarchs laid the bedrock of paganism in their generation and past the practice unto other generations over centuries. Hence, keeping up coming generations in the dark.

  125. Hey brother you got it all wrong in this book Solomon was talking about how the ungodly with themselves,it wasn’t Solomon talking but he was refering the ungodly resoning among themselves about a righteous person that calls himself the son of God

  126. You have completely taken what Solomon wrote out of context. If you read his words before, you find this:

    [16] But ungodly men by their words and deeds summoned death;
    considering him a friend, they pined away,
    and they made a covenant with him,
    because they are fit to belong to his party.


    [1] For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves…

    And here he goes into saying what unrighteousness men say to themselves, and the text you included in your post is “one of those things” that ungodly men say to themselves.

    I do not know if you are a believer or not, but if you are, I strongly suggest you correct your error and ask for forgiveness. Solomon was a great man of God and indwelled with God’s wisdom. Tread carefully my friend.

  127. Even though the Catholic Church “eliminated” from the Holy Bible, the Catholic Church and the Episcopal Church are the only places I have been that acknowledge The Apochrypha. I am intrigued by the Books of the Apostles that appear to be gaining popularity of all of us… the Book of Enoch, the Book of Thomas, there’s a Gospel according to Mary Magdalene and many more… Who really cares? We take our wisdom where we find it…

  128. Ummm your facts are wrong on many levels. One thing you should know, Is that the books you listed are in all Catholic bibles. Luther removed the dueterocanonical books from The Bible, After the “reformation”.

  129. Wow u can’t read .. even “reading it ” u can not understand what u read !!!
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
    CAN’T U READ (((((((((((((((((( THE UNGODLY )))))))))))))))))))))) ???

  130. I think it’s kind of funny how you misread an entire passage and then built your commentary based off of that misunderstanding. In the first section you talk about the book of ‘The Wisdom of Solomon’ where you are breaking down what is said, you completely missed what is said at the beginning of the first verse, “For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves,” and then the rest of the verses go on to say what the ungodly say, reasoning within themselves. You have interpreted to be what Solomon is saying, and then go on to analyze it, as if it’s he that is saying it. In reality, he is mocking the “ungodly” and what they say. He himself is not saying those things. This is what happens when you have an agenda to TRY and misunderstand what someone has said. You take your preconceived notion and prejudice, and you use whatever you find to match it, even when it makes no sense, like it does in this case.

  131. If we were created in Gods image then we would all be spirits or energy. It only makes sense considering that we shed this form when we die. Then it would make sense that we are all a part of God that makes us actually gods ourselves. So we know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed so in that we exist for ever. Knowing also that energy contains thought the question would be, can thought exist on it’s own without the brain to translate it?

    No to big a stretch to think that we created this as a distraction from forever…….

  132. There are no gods, goddesses, angels, devils or demons, it is all just myth and if you believe in all that garbage you might as well believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden. There is no afterlife either. This is all there is so make the most of it because it’s all you are going to get. Stories for people who are afraind of the dark, RIP Mr Hawking.

  133. My God
    If I could create my own god
    a soul of both solace and mirth
    He who needs no one’s flatteries
    nor demands them from all the earth

    He would not possess jealousy
    a trait that even men despise
    Showing each one he is equal
    within the lord of this worlds eyes

    Having made of each a sinner
    he would love all of us the same
    Blaming himself for our failings
    not tempering us in a flame

    Our lives would be a tapestry
    a quilt of love, that beauty built
    Where he’d take pride in what we are
    and not punish us, for his guilt

  134. Wow! Virtually everything written in this article is either misleading or false. Firstly, who cares what the Catholic Church did in 1684? It’s 2018! It’s speculating on events that happened 334 years ago. Secondly, the Catholic Church is the reason why Christians have The New Testament, today. If the apostolic fathers (the disciples of Jesus’s apostles) had not preserved Christ’s teachings through the Catholic Church, risking and losing their lives in the process, this discussion would not exist. Thirdly, the Catholic bible includes nearly all of the books this author protests about (The Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, etc.). Moreover, Catholic bibles have more books in them today than any other protestant bible. Why? It’s because Martin Luther subtracted books he didn’t agree with. Luther even tried to remove the books of Hebrews, James, Jude, Peter 2, and Revelation. Sorry, though what the author of this article has written is just not true.

  135. Verse 1. started by saying this “For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright”
    Solomon is simply expressing the heart of wicked Men, not his own heart, or his own doing.

  136. OMG, you guys are reading this soooo wrong, read deeper than the words, so much is said, more than what you read.
    You must first read and get Knowledge, then with true understanding, comes the wisdom. This is amazing,
    “there is no teaching for what you will know”
    I love this: More please

  137. Vatican did not remove 14 Books from the Bible in 1684. They are part of Catholic Bible except for 1 & 2 Esdras, and Prayer of Manasseh. Protestant Bible does not have those 14 books. Song of 3 holy children, Susanna, Bel and Dragon are parts of the Book of Daniel in Catholic Bible. Protestant Bible has 66 books. Catholic Bible has 73 books.

  138. Solomon is not speaking in 1st person, he is speaking in 3rd person here: “For the ungodly said…” what follows is in the words of the ungodly, not what Solomon believes.

  139. Solomon sounds evil because he is talking about the countenance of men as they revere Yahashua. Even the saints and prophets that follow yahashua will be looked upon and treated like this by people who live for the day, glorify themselves over god, and choose evil over anything that is good. SMH…take your time, and don’t read these words like pages to a novel. These words are important. However, the people of the time might have been doing ALL the things, acting in all the ways, and thinking in the same mindset as the one’s Solomon is speaking of. It kinda makes one look wrong if they are telling the masses of evil, yet they see the speaker….speaking about themselves.

  140. Everyone has totally missed the point. The fact is that The Church took out books from the Bible to keep certain knowledge away from us. What was so vital that had to be hidden from us. If they are available we need to get them and read them and learn. We have been brainwashed into thinking that the only books in The Bible that are necessary are the ones “they” chose to give us. There are other books that were not included in The New Testament as well that should be read. The books that were chosen to be in The Bible that we know were chosen as a political move not a spiritual one. And no God did not write the Bible. It was “inspired by God” not written by Him. Man wrote The Bible.

  141. What SSSSTUPID article.
    In the first verse is the key to the meanjng of it. It says that in the minds of UNGODLY MEN are the followings thoughts and attitudes (put into verses)

  142. Religion is just a union of people in order to maintain some control of those people. God did not make us all, we have evolved as humans from other older forms of hairier being. I find it worrying that in this era people still believe that God made us all and he did that from just two people……I always find it strange that many of these bible bashers are as corrupt as hell, these evangelists live like KINGS whilst taking from the poor.

  143. From the official King James Bible the person now known as JESUS CHRIST [note capitalization of this name Mat 1:21 and the effect of that under Admiralty law] is the title of a trust developed under Roman Law for suppression of the sheeple created by S/Paul and Vespasian to transfer the knowledge of spiritual oppression of the masses from JUDEA to the NEW JERUSALEM – Rome. Vespasian the Roman General who became Caesar in AD 69 was made God by the Roman senate which elevated his conquering son Titus the Roman in AD 70 to King of the World and Son of God fulfilling ostensibly the JEWISH CHRIST prophecy by a ROMAN. To make it palatable to the arrogant Italians who believed they could become gods the Romans had to elevate Mary to be the Holy God mother of JESUS CHRIST as you need one goD parent but better still if you have two. This is evidenced by statues of these defeated goDs of the JEWS/ABRAHAMIC religions placed in the temple in Rome. This false messiah system was predicted by Daniel’s beast & by Yeshua in Matthew 24:4 and the timing of the coming of the JEWISH CHRIST in Matthew 24:2. After Yeshua taught the masses about the coming of the JEWISH CHRIST the original 12 disciples wanted to know when that event would happen. Yeshua disavowed being the JEWISH CHRIST as per the JEWISH conception [Matt 16:20; Mark 8:30; Luke 9:21] Yeshua commands the 12 disciples not to teach that JESUS (sic) is the JEWISH CHRIST. Yeshua appears to support the idea that Peter was right about the JEWISH CHRIST identification until you see the first part – ‘the Son of the LIVING GOD (FATHER)’ which is the part Yeshua accepts and expands on in keeping with assertions Yeshua made per John 6:57. Yeshua carefully distinguishes his Living Father from the JEWISH FATHER the DEVIL BAAL as per John 8:41 & 8:44. (see also 2 Samuel 24:1 compared to 1 Chronicles 21:1 where from this one event told by two authors reveals LORD = SATAN= JEHOVAH = BAAL). Yeshua stated that it was His Living Father that revealed who Yeshua was to Peter and the Living Father is the ‘Rock’ on which Yeshua’s church will be built and not JEHOVAH as claimed by the JEWS [Deu 32:4] . There is only one time it appears that Yeshua owns the title of JEWISH MESSIAH which appears in Mark 15:62 where it is recorded as ‘I am…’ yet in Mark 16:2 Yeshua states ‘Thou sayest’ which would be a lie from his claim in verse 62 of chapter 15. Two other gospels record Yeshua’s answer differently ‘Ye say that I am’ Luke 22:70 & ‘Thou hast said it’ in Matt 26:64. The inconsistency in Mark shows that someone not of that time edited or transcribed it with a misapprehension of this crucial information. Since Yeshua would not use deception the Mark accounts when compared to the other two gospel accounts would show this issue to be the case especially in light of his answers to Pilate. There is ownership of a title in John 4:25-26 where the Samaritan (Israeli) woman at the well expresses the Samaritan (Israeli and promise to Eve) expectation of an Israeli Teacher who would ‘tell us all things’ [truth] John 4:25 & John 18:37. Yeshua owns that Samaritan [Israeli] Messiah title in verse John 4:26 stating ‘I that speak unto thee am’. It is interesting there is mention of the Israelis despised by Jews as backsliders and despised for their beliefs to be included in this is the place of admission by Yeshua as what His ‘meat’ (verse 34) to do was. Yeshua further demonstrates that he is not the JEWISH CHRIST by disputing that the true Messiah would be of the lineage of David as per Matt 22:41-45; Mark 12:35-37: Luke 20:41-44 which shut the apostate Jews up so totally no Jew dared to ask him any more questions and they set about getting Barabbas [name means Son of Father and a Alexandrian zealot CHRIST wantabe] out of jail. In Matthew 24:4 Yeshua clearly tells the 12 disciples not to be deceived by people coming after Yeshua in his name teaching that Yeshua is the CHRIST (JEWISH). The only ‘disciple’ coming after the 12 is S/Paul who infiltrated the early church and started teaching this fallacy of the JESUS CHRIST fulfillment of JEWISH prophecy which the other disciples were COMMANDED not to teach and who disputed with the other disciples. Interesting to note that the Romans destroyed all the Jewish writings when the Temple was razed to the ground in AD 70 exactly as per Matt 24:2 except those Jewish writings which Titus brought to Rome and those secreted away like the Dead Sea scrolls. The control of these lends to obscurity or redress by those texts. Mattias (Acts 1:17-26) replaced Judas not Paul. Yeshua emphatically stated that he was sent to the ‘lost sheep of Israel’ Mat 15:24 not the Samaritans (the NATION of Israel) or the gentiles. Yeshua instructed the 12 disciples to go to the ‘lost sheep’ of Israel [JUDEANS] not the gentiles or Samaritans. The assertion held by the churches that Yeshua is the fulfillment of the JEWISH CHRIST ideology is the deception of the elect which Yeshua made reference to (Mat 24:24). Signs and wonders [restoration of Israel before the end of the old and the new earth], false prophets [Mohamed], and false CHRISTS [how many Christian denominations are there?]. Why would Yeshua state that his kingdom was not of this world, descry the Jews following the law as doing the deeds of their father the Devil [John 8:41& 44] and then make the whole object of his efforts to be slated for that purpose according to the official Roman and false CHRISTIAN DOMINATION ideology. Yeshua stated to Pilate that ‘To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.’ John 18:31&32 ‘Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.’ To anyone who believes that the Living Father would participate in BAAL child sacrifice has definitely been deceived. It stands to reason that the BAAL LORD GOD that the Jews were worshiping was behind the sacrifice and Caiaphas’ false prophecy ‘was expedient that one man should die for the people’. In reality the three names above the individual now known as Jesus Christ when he was crucified are the death sentence for treason given by Pilate to Barabbas a leading Alexandrian zealot who had been captured with his two lieutenants but for which Yeshua was executed and which death sentence was translated into the three official languages of the day- Latin, Greek and Aramaic. Yeshua was executed for a Jewish zealot’s claim of being the King of the Jews who then was sentenced to the cross for sedition. The official death sentence in Latin read ‘Rex Iudaeorum’ = King of the Jews, in the Greek ‘Iesus’ a phonetic of Aramaic approximation of JEHOVAH SAVIOR = KING OF THE JEWS, and in the Aramaic “Barabbas’ = Son of the Father = KING OF THE JEWS. All of these titles were treasonous in Israel at that time. Pilate freed whom the Jews presumed to be their Christ known as Barabbas which was effected by the priests and leading Jews and the individual we know as Jesus Christ [Yeshua] was executed in Barabbas’ place along with Barabbas’ two lieutenants. Jewish thieves would have pay restitution, been stoned or had limbs removed or jailed depending on which laws were used. In the Roman Empire, too, stealing could be punishable by death [though not put on a cross], but if the thief was not killed when caught in the act, he could instead be sentenced to reimburse the victim, often four or five times the value of the stolen goods. These does not take away from Yeshua’s death and makes it more relevant. This shows that both the Living Father and Yeshua were aware of the blood contract which was in force as death is the belief of the JEWISH LORD GOD BAAL PTAH SUN GOD who came from Egypt Hosea 13:4 and has a secret doctrine Deu 32:2. One has to see that whatever you are given [in this case the law of Moses John 6:19] in terms of doctrine it is by the definition as follows as: a fair speech designed to engage the hearer into an action but which has a sinister or angle calculated to deceive- [inveiglement: to entice, lure, or ensnare by flattery or artful talk or inducements (usually followed by into): to inveigle a person into playing bridge. 2. to acquire, win, or obtain by beguiling talk or methods (usually followed by from or away): to inveigle a theater pass from a person. Now when you put that together with the laws of goD we have to have some concern here. Of course we could be like the Jews and claim that it is a special knowledge of goD which is for us only but the reality is that it was meant for deception of the Israelites and seems to have worked very well as it created the JEWISH NATION. The 10 commandments were written on our hearts by the Living Father when we were incarnated and so these were with us all the time and we universally recognize them worldwide and cannot dispute their spiritual origin. The occult of the origin of the 10 commandments is done by the LORD GOD claiming authorship from the Living Father and they became written dead words prefaced onto the 603 commandments over two covenants of PTAH disguised as the LORD GOD when he led Moses the priest of MIDIAN into error Ex 18:19 & 18:24. Moses was ‘content to dwell with the man’ Ex 2:21 a term equal to 1 Cor 7:12‘ pleased to dwell with him’ and refers to cohabitation between two consenting bed partners in a partnership usually one non-believer. This was a duty of becoming a priest of Midian as Jethro the father in law whom Moses served 40 years. Joshua was instructed to destroy the Midianites for leading Israel in to sin.

  144. Hey, let’s not argue about the Old and new Testaments, or who was from which caste or tribe and concentrate on God. God is omnipresent (all religions admit that), therefore God is everything and everyone! Different people call God different names. God is love, it’s the religious institutions who divide the people to suit their own purposes. Don’t forget “Love thy neighbor as thyself!” You have to love yourself before you can love others.

  145. The truth is if you go to the previous chapter it clearly says that the ungodly says this. That raps this whole blog up. (Life as the Ungodly See It)16 But the ungodly by their words and deeds summoned death;[d]considering him a friend, they pined awayand made a covenant with him,because they are fit to belong to his company.”

  146. Maybe I am not comprehending this correctly or maybe I am but in the text of the wisdom of solomon nowhere in this passage does it indicate that Solomon says this trying to reason with himself. It says: ” For the Ungodly says reasoning with themselves” then proceeds to explain what the ungodly says trying to reason with themselves. I can can completely see this. We have people with the exact thoughts and sentiments today YOLO…you only live once…one of many outlooks in our world today. It does seem the person referred to as SON or child of the MOST HIGH was indeed Jesus. I am going to look into the wisdom of solomon further. There are many possible answers for this. It could very well be prophetic, perhaps this was not written by Solomon and possibly at a later date than what initially thought. Either way it is worth looking into and gaining some further insight.

  147. I am 100% sure this article was written by a Muslim because online Muslims bring this objection up namely “The Vatican church, or the Roman Catholic church, has a long history of corruption and deception.”. Well if you think the Bible has been corrupt you are contradicting what allah confirms the AUTHORITY, PRESERVATION and RELIABILITY of the Torah and the Bible. For more details read this article > https://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/bible_authentic1.htm

  148. And you, hqanon certainly are one of the worst liars who is a very close friend of Satan.
    I am praying for you, but you must immediately repent for God’s forgiveness.
    Do not ever again say something untrue or with your heartlessness!

  149. In the beginning of man kind. The Bible almost gives up it’s own hidden lie. What ppl fail to realize is that life has always been in existence and the planet that we know has always been occupied. Different species and forms of life evolved and from the human kind came forth mankind ( or that kind of man) to which the Bible was merely a journal of this new form of ceeation. The conspiracy part comes from the years of changing stories of history, dialect, and origin. If I told you the book of Genesis is the begging of Hue man life through DNA splicing from the original form. If I was born through genetic formalities and later found out the truth about me I probably would do a little covering up and make the world believe I’m actually greater than I’m not. Not yo go into detail or stir anyone in the wrong direction, just do homework for yourself and ask yourself,why all the cover-up and misconceptions to hide the Prophecy of God? Someone doesn’t want you to know the truth ..

  150. The very first verse says “the ungodly said reasoning with themselves…” Solomon is saying that all of these ungodly people think like this but INSTEAD, we should wait on the one who is righteous. Context matters.

  151. The author of this post needs to start back at the beginning….
    For the ungodly said reasoning with them selves, but not aright, our life is short and tedious and in death of a man there is no remedy: neither was there any man known to have returned from the grave.
    It clearly says the ungodly said reasoning with themselves….
    This was not king Solomon’s opinion but the views of those who were not believers.

  152. It’s funny chapter 2 of wisdom has 24 verses you will omitted the four. If you were to read the last four verses you would know what was being said.

  153. The Books you listed above are in the Catholic Bible right now [but most were removed by Luther in the 16th century so your confused. The Jews never had a closed canon because new books were been added all the time, important books like Daniel so how could the open canon used by Christ Himself & then closed by the AUTHORITATIVE CHURCH INSTITUTED BY CHRIST BE A WRONGFUL ACT. The Jews closing the canon is so amazingly brash, as they always refused to close it because they were still expecting more prophecy & as a Christian to think the Holy spirit is confused & is on one hand inspiring the Apostles & the infant Church while still taking part in the old covenant. [OLD COVENANT TRANSLATED TO ENGLISH IS EXACTLY OLD TESTAMENT] Serving the new with the old. Did Christ Himself tell us why this could not work, with the example of the wine-skins..So if the Jews had no closed Canon at the time Christianity came along & was given all authority then how can anyone say the Jews coming along 100 years later & adapting their scriptures for one reason, to separate themselves from Christians so they are not persecuted along with the Christians. How can they be deciding which books & how many are inspired & belong in the Bible since they had no inspired table of contents. The Christians also had no inspired table of contents but they had something the Jews did not have & that is the promise that the Holy Spirit will lead them into all truth. The Holy Spirit also told us thru the Apostles orally & later on paper that the Church is the pillar & foundation of truth. That when 2 of us disagree about something concerning our faith we can take it to the Church & what the Church declares is final. The reason He dont say, “TAKE IT TO THE BIBLE” is because there was no closed canon of scripture until 393ad so the Church has the role of interpreting scripture, after all every letter in the NT is a letter written from one parish to another parish & even revelation, which Luther removed from the protestant Bible,starts with Jesus revealing whats to come to the whole Church [7 means complete=7 churches] Jesus said whatever you do on earth will be bound in Heaven. You think He would give this much authority to the Church without protecting this, without a guiding light to make sure the Church, which is His Bride & therefore the 2 became one but you still believe this Church which is Christ on earth can go astray in matters of faith & morals. I DONT MEAN CAN PEOPLE INSIDE FAIL TO LIVE A CHRISTIAN LIFE, I DONT MEAN FOLLOWERS OF JUDAS WHO DONT PUT CHRIST FIRST & LIVE IMMORAL LIVES BUT WHAT THE CHURCH ACTUALLY, OFFICIALLY TEACHES & ALWAYS HAS. I MEAN THAT IN EVERY CENTURY WE CAN FIND A LIST OF THE BOOKS IN THE BIBLE & IT HAS NEVER CHANGED, NONE HAVE BEEN ADDED TO OR REMOVED, EXCEPT THE PROTESTANT VERSION WHICH YOU CAN VIEW IN BOTH THE BIBLE MUSEUM IN WASHINGTON & NYC. There was many sects in Israel back then, each with its own canon but the Pharisees used the most common which was the Septuagint. We know this as there is 394 QUOTES FROM IT IN THE NT. These exact quotes can be found in no other version of the OT. Also, Jesus recognizes the authority held by the Pharisees [Matthew 23:1-39
    “Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do.”]This is also a message to today’s Church that the weeds He foresaw & the good-seed are now taking shape & when He refused to pull up them weeds when asked he said he’l let them grow, then separate the CHAFF from the good seed.So Christ goes on to let them know using THE PARABLE OF THE WICKED TENANT, which describes the relationship between the tenants & the landlord & how He first sends his best men[the prophets] but they were killed so He says il send my son for surely they wont kill my son but they drag Him outside the gate & kill Him.[THIS IS THE END OF THE OLD COVENANT & as we read in the parable the TORCH is been passed onto another. The Pharisees immediately recognize all this, especially when the son is then dragged outside the gate of the city & killed, but not before the HIGH-PRIEST who represents the people of God, the Jews “PLAYED THE HARLOT” one final time by shouting to PILOT in the name of all of Judea, “WE HAVE NO KING BUT CEASOR”,& right there he Invoked the covenant curses promised to those who transgress the covenant & with no LEVITICAL PRIEST to make a sin offering on their behalf, as it is ordered there is nothing they can do according to their beliefs. After Christ is killed there are lots of natural disasters in the lead up to the 2 Million Jews been killed within Jerusalem in 79AD & proceeded by many disasters across the Roman Empire like Pompeo which only recently was excavated & the people were hit so fast that some are breast feeding their babies, others shopping & others making sacrifice to the Giant statue of the God Isis. Josephus who was a 1st century historian says the whole of the Jerusalem Church left Jerusalem for the safety of the surrounding towns & villages & not one Christian died. He wrote in the 1st century that this was done in accordance with an earlier prophecy warning them of this. Scholars call it the OLIVETTE DISCOURSE which was put on paper at some later stage & Christ warns of natural disasters, wars etc that might look like the end of the world but dont worry, head into the hills & you’l be safe. Only the Church heeded the warning. Josephus & at least 4 other historians from that time say 2 million Jews died but in a lul in which the Romans left to retrieve fresh supplies the whole Church in Jerusalem fled. They begged their neighbors to come with them but the Jews did not believe the Temple could be overcome.The Christians had been given the authority which was taken from the Jews but the Romans still saw them as a sect of Judaism & they were really mad at Christians, accusing them of been ATHEIST for only worshiping 1 God unlike the Jews, most Christians refused to pinch incense to Nero who not only believed he was DIVINE, but that HIS FATHER WAS ALSO DIVINE. They believed Julius Caesar was a God & so each emperor after him was the son of God. Even though he did not officially hold the title “EMPEROR or CAESAR”, his name was NEVER wrote without the Title Caesar so surely he was the 1st Emperor. The Jews simply called them kings, as we read many times but most memorable is the Jewish High Priest who when he speaks, he speaks for all the Jewish people in one voice, “We have no KING but CAESAR”. So 5 Kings HAVE BEEN, [Julius to Claudius] ONE IS [Nero] and one the one to come will reign for a short period [Galba reigned only 7 months and 7 days]. So there is 2 main groups, those who say revelation was wrote during Nero’s reign & those who say it was about 100AD. If it was 100AD, then none of what is passed of as prophecy regarding the emperors is truly prophecy. Using the Greek numerical system nero’s name comes to 666.[NRWN QSR] & there exists an older document that puts “The number of the beast, who is also a man, at 616 [Nero’s name in Aramaic/Hebrew = NRN QSR COMES OUT AT 616 USING THEIR NUMERICAL SYSTEM…COINCIDENCE]CHECK OUT THIS SHORT VIDEO. NO OPINIONS, JUST FACTS. SOME ARE SO SHALLOW THEY REFUSE TO DIG ANY FURTHER THAN THE PARTS THAT FIT THEIR PASTORS OPINIONS IS NERO THE BEAST??

    • The Catholic Church put the bible togethr in the Late 300’s. THese books were not included at that time. I question the premise of what yo uagce wruitten based on that error.

      Thanks for writing this… someone needed to set the record straight.

  154. First of all, stop playing theologians and historians. The facts posted on here do nothing but mislead people, and BTW slandering IS a sin.
    Learn your stuff from real sources and not by conspiracy theories.
    Stop being donkeys led by goats.

  155. Confusion begets more confusion.

    1. The only bible I possess, which does in fact include those “missing books” is a catholic one from my family printed in the 1960s… so there’s that.

    2. You.. like most people that try to read the bible, have little to no reading comprehension ability. If it were not so, surely you would’ve noticed that Solomon clearly begins that pericope by stating that he is speaking of what ungodly men think to themselves.

    With friendly misinterpretations like these.. who needs enemies?

  156. While this is a good read, it was actually Martin Luther who decided to exclude these books (the Apocrypha) from his “German” version of the Bible.

  157. This world is full of devil’s deceptions,so take care because he is always fighting humanity behind the curtain…..he makes us understand that he does not exist and what we hear about him is just fables but its real,But Gods wants us to see his creation so as to know him better..Rom 1:20. So the The great controversy between good and evil reins over us,and God has revealed it to us everytime,so its your right time to study his word properly and his only bible truths in relation to this world-amen.

  158. Qanon, DON’T LIE, you took it on purpose out of context. The whole subject is called ” Life as the godless see it” and extends from 1:16 until 2:24.
    I dislike christian churches but i do even more cheap ill-willed lies.

  159. this just kills me did you ever think that your the one that not right that the bible is the biggest con ever pulled that they are just book of how other thought we should be treated but in the name of god you hate anyone that cast doubt on what you follow or that does not follower what you believe.
    most christen are some of the worst people I know.
    You are an organism like every other on this planet you live you pass on your d.n.a and die but are greatest weakness is fear and that is what religion is born out of and every civilization that has existed has had a forum of religion because of this fear
    we need to believe there something else so that we don’t fear death because it’s inevitable for all of us just think how better this world would be if every one knew that the present is all the time they have to make the world a better place.

  160. Jesus or Yahashua stated the body is a temple within itself therefore the worship in any man-made temple or church is futile. FURTHERMORE the writer of this article is correct. The Song of Solomon is deception. It is also true Wisdom but Solomon’s Seals are a collection of spells and incantations using the so called various names for God, directions, etc. He’s also correct that that foundation formed the Illuminati and how our government is ran today which includes England and as far back as the Annunaki, Code of Hammurabi formed our government today. Just look it up.

  161. I read a lot of these comments then I stopped. We are not suppose to argue over the Bible. There is not one thing that anyone can say or show me to make me believe there is no Jesus and especially make me think for one moment that He doesn’t love me. I had an experience with Him that can never be stolen from my heart or my mind by anyone. Im going to tell you why but shorten my story. I had a brain tumor that had grown into my brainstem. Took 10 months to find a dr to do the surgery because of where it was. Was given 0% chance of living without the surgery and 17% chance of living with surgery and would be on feeder tube the rest of my life. Before surgery i took my gown and my white socks to the restroom to change and get ready for surgery. And no i wasnt on any meds and yes i am mentally stable. I looked up and said ” are you”? He knew what it ment. I had all the faith in the world He could heal me, but my question was. Is He gonna do it for me or is it my time to go. I had 3 children that needed me. The bathroom filled with the brightest glow that was almost blinding but yet it didnt hurt my eyes and i was picked up and held in a bright glowing blanket that consumed and extended way beyond my body for just a few moments then was released and everything was gone. I was left with so much peace and calmness and for the first time in 10 months i was not afraid and knew i was going to be ok. That was in 2004 and i didnt have a feeder tube and now enjoy a house full of grandchildren. Thank You God. For everything. I also know that i only look up things i am interested in and want to know more about. I look up things of the bible, recipes ,sewing, pets. I do not look up things i have no interest in like witch craft, fishing, hunting ,.etc.. So that tells me that you so called non believers somewhere deep down you do believe and you are looking for more …just look where you are. What your reading and your comments. I dont think your trying to convince others that there is no God but trying to convince yourself. And i also know there is going to be all kinds of good and bad comments on what i just wrote but that is fine im not going to read them. I said what i had to say and im not interested in the negatives. God bless each and everyone that has been on this page and may you all have a revelation in your life to the one above.

  162. If you ask me, I’d have to say the Vatican didn’t quite think things all the way through in 1684!
    I think the words, views, qualities, and traits in original verses/books you cited serve one hell of a purpose. Big Sol carries himself in the exact way every memorable archetypal villain from your favorite story or movie does; he’s condescending, blunt, mean, selfish (or at least careless of others), greedy, and confident/cocky. Then, in the end, he’s left out in the cold, lonely, regretful, mad at himself X2 because he caused and accelerated his pathway to despair and can’t fully admit he hates himself for it.

    That’s an infinitely better life lesson than the Vatican will give you. Then again, the Vatican is only concerned you do as they say so far as support them, if you sell drugs to kids and kill dogs on Saturday; just make sure you’re putting that dirty money on the plate Sunday!


  164. This is what happens when any scripture is taken out of context. Chapter 2 is a continuation of Chapter 1:16. Chapter 2 is not Solomon speaking but what ungodly men are saying. Come on now! Keep it real!!

  165. It confuses who is really telling the truth..I would have wished for some to compare some this with teaching in Torah and Quran!

  166. Hi, I don’t know much but I know something inside me Is hungry And I can see you guys are too We should pray with our heart. what I do know is that he answers our prayers he will calm your thoughts and you will see with your heart believe he can hear you and he will stop letting fear control your Thoughts and your life, do good think good help others with a big hug break free look to the sky and breathe in and out look with your heart not sure if this helps someone but I’ll believe it will be safe and Live with love in your heart ❤️

  167. So my question is; if the Bible states CLEARLY in revelations that NOTHING IS TO BE TAKEN FROM OR ADDED TO THE BOOK; why were these books taken out by the very organization that claims to be teaching? They’re going against their own beliefs? Is everybody just going to continue to look past that?

  168. I notice verse 1: Solomon’s voice, in this text, says “ they reason to themselves, not aright” thus the whole text body which follows is a quote of the wicked, cited by Solomon, who points out that this thinking is astray. You are illiterate of or deliberately ignoring the literary “voice” of Solomon in your ludicrous and faulty conclusion; which is only plausible if you ignore Solomon’s words in verse 1.

  169. You are not quoting Solomon because the extracts you chose are Solomon narrating the thinking of evil men.

    For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves, “Short and sorrowful is our life…….
    for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him, and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries. 19 Let us test him with insult and torture, that we may find out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance. 20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will be protected.” 21 Thus they reasoned, but they were led astray, for their wickedness blinded them,

  170. No one is paying any attention to the first verse.

    It says “ For the ungodly said reasoning with themselves.”

    Solomon is NOT talking about his own thoughts & actions, but of those who were against God in that time frame he was talking about.

    The whole passage is being taken out of context.

  171. Most of those books are still in the Catholic Bible. The Jews removed them from their list to try to squash Christianity.
    Also, there was no “Bible” until the Catholic Church put it together. If the Catholic Church was founded by Christ then they are the proper authority for determining the cannon of scripture. The books were dropped because the Protestantism heresy went to the already corrupted Jewish cannon to form their Bible.
    This article is irresponsible journalism.

  172. The Catholic Church (That is, all of them since there’s more than one) have taken them out. Wycliff, in his English translation, included them (before 1611) and you will see them in Bibles at any Catholic bookstore.
    It was omitted by the Protestants who were trying to distance themselves from the “Roman Papacy” in Europe. These are the protestants from whom the Puritans came from and then some came to America to escape further persecution from the Papacy and Anglican Church of England (Episcopalian Church here in the US)

  173. You must be careful how you interpret old English. He was not being evil. He was speaking as if hope and life has not come into the world, so people live freely like YOLO you only live once MAKE the most of it and do what you want, them He goes on to prophesy about Yashayah who will come to change that. Be wise when interpreting old English, you use new English rules to read old. And can trick you.

    • Ah the delusions people believe one will even be let prosper by God in the end times and they will flock to False god man and he will destroy them if they don’t somehow wake up. satan or lucyfur is a light angel just like all the other light bearing angels cast to earth he may be powerful but he is also a liar and will try to deceive you unto death. Jesus Christ is the Light Man who is the God man who is the One who is the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

  174. What Paul was talking about on the Sumerian Clay Tablets that we’re discovered by a British archeologists I believe it was in 1848. It is very alarming and it does raise so many questions. To me I most certainly believe in god, and I also believe in Jesus. However we are a civilization with amnesia. The earth has been set back to zero many times from global cataclysmic events like the ones that destroyed all the dinosaurs and end the one about 10800 years ago that ended the last ice age. Canada has 2 miles of ice on top of it, and the earth was much different. Those that survived during those times lived in a very different world than today. The Gulf of Mexico was not there and there was much more land. That’s why they find all these cities under water that most do not know about. You will never see things like this in the media because it would cause chaos and raise too many questions of our origin. The only thing that can survive the hands of time is STONE. That is why all the ancient wonders and unexplainable structures are made of Stone. They had great technological advances compared to today. But we also have things that they didn’t. Every cycle of earth will have different technologies. We will all have things the others did not have. Because the butterfly affect will always been different. Different scientist and different teachings. Think about it. The pyramids are much old than we are taught , and the reason they do not know how they were built is because they were not built during this cycle of life on earth. It was a time way before. Even metal and steel after 50 years will start to fall to the ground and go back to the earth. Once the process starts within a couple hundred years it would all be over grown with greenery. Our cities i feel not maintained would fall to the ground and the only man made structures that would survive is Mount Rushmore and the other structures that were built in past watch cycles. Yellow stone is a super volcano, and it blows every 800k years. And we are now past 800k years since it last blew. A super volcano can not be compared to a volcano as we know it. No human living has seen one , nor would anyone survive it. That bring a question then to how did life restart. And that my friends is the very alarming part that no one talks about but Paul has a lot of insight too. I too have studied what he is talking about. And let’s just say that the Samaritan’s wrote on stone tablets that have survived the hands of time and what is written on them would basically say that the Bible is the whisper game that was played in elementary. Where by the time is gets to the last person the story is completely changed. The whole story of Genesis is written on them with Noah’s ark etc. However the other things that are on them tell a completely different story of our origins. And unfortunately they match up with the evidence that is still here on this earth. It would explain the Pyramids and why we don’t know how they were built. We don’t know because they were not built by the Egyptians. Think about it ladies and gentleman. Since there hasn’t been a cataclysmic event since the Egyptians how in the world would there not be a single story as to how?? It’s not like they were unable of putting things on stone and don’t you think something of that magnitude would be left for us to discover? Do you not think they would not have been proud of building them and brag to the future people of this planet ? Well what if I told you the Egyptians merely stumbled upon them and discovered there was nobody home and made them their own and their new empire. The architecture inside the pyramids is horrible , they couldn’t build a strait wall of their life depended on it. Yet 30 ton single stones were brought from hundred of miles away and lifted into the air almost mathematically perfect? Come on. It’s that the people who built the insides just did a remodeling job thousands of years after they were really built. Yes the they used them for everything we were taught in school, but what did the people before them use them for? They were massive power generators and the Nile River use to run underneath them and the water would run through the massive channels underneath them. The top of the great pyramid was solid gold, and some how they use the earths magnetic fields to do things we can comprehend. We don’t know what they were used for .

    However those tablets Paul is talking about says that “in the beginning “creator God’s came from the skies” and then it continues through genesis. However I am sorry to tell you that they were Aliens. I realize how this sounds. But it does not mean Christianity is not real, it doesn’t mean Jesus is not the son of god. It does not mean any of that. Remember the whisper game. We are a civilization with amnesia. Who has had its origins deleted from the record books. Just like we are currently deleting history. When the USA invaded Iraq one of the very first things our soldiers did was destroy everything in the museums ? Why? A lot of the artifacts were found on the streets here in the USA. Priceless history, deleted. It’s happen since the beginning of time.

    I will just say what the Samaritan wrote on those tablets is all you need to know to send you down a rabbit hole. You need to research the annunaki , and learn who Enil, Enke were. And their depictions are all over stone walls.

    Aliens aren’t Little green men. And it would be very earth-like of us to think we are the center of the universe. They warned Noah that a great flood would come. And this flood was very real and it’s in every religion there is. Noah was warned by the Annunaki to build an ark. What cause the flood was the Annunaki’s home planet that comes into the earths orbit every 3600 years. During that passage it messed up the earths magnetic fields and caused massive flooding. There was survivors because Noah did build that Ark.

    I’ll close it with this , On those tablets though it says the Annunaki came back to give a gift to the earth and that was Ancient Samaria. They can be accredited for some of our best inventions that we still use today. The wheel , the aqueduct etc. our history books tell us Samaria was the first human civilization, but they are wrong. It was the first civilization during this earth cycle after the reset button was hit by the flood. The Annunaki returned to the skies.

    We now know this to be true that Samaria was NOT the first civilization, and it’s not even debated now. After the finding of gobekli tepli if I am spelling that correct that was discovers that dated thousands and thousands of years before the pyramids that shows a very advance civilization. (Look it up). That was supposedly when we were hunter gatherers with 0 technology, basically primitive. It’s not accurate. Imagine something being as old as old to the pyramids as the pyramids are to us but even older, and that’s what gobekli tepli is.

    Stone henge , machu pichu, all of these structure are not what we think they are. And all of this technology came from out of now where. All around the same time? Imagine all of our cities on earth just popping up form no where and no traces of history before that. What would that mean? Would it probably mean that all of a sudden that those areas were colonnaded by people that came there all at the same time? Probably. Well where is that somewhere? It’s written on clay tablets that were found by a British archeologists, that the Samaritan’s tell a completely different story of how they came to be. Why would someone leave stone tablets of their origins? Because they knew what happened before, and they wanted to make sure it survived a cataclysmic event so we would know our story. And they did exactly that. But you are not going to hear anything about them. I mean who wants to delete the last 4500 years of what we have been taught here on earth? It causes more problems than it solves and it creates work, panic, uncertainty and chaos. So instead let’s keep teaching our children other things. And let’s completely delete the book of Enoch from the history books as well as the Dead Sea scrolls.

    Jesus was the son of god, none of what we were taught is not real. It’s that it’s been told wrong because of the hands of time and paper can not survive thousands of years. What can? Stone. That’s it. PERIOD.

    And those who think dinosaur bones were put all over the place, you need to go check into a mental hospital. And I say that with love. It does not make someone not a Christian to believe in history and the truth.

    We are all children of god and we are an embodiment of god “I am that, I Am”

    The Moses code .

    Peace , love and happiness to all.
    Happy Thanksgiving

  175. Wow! What a bunch of angry christians it seems.

    All I can say is I was raised a RC and believed in all the crap till I was 42. Then in an effort of trying to understand why the RC/Christianity protected pedophiles I read and read and read about man made religions (which includes without a doubt the RC/Christianity).

    I will sum it up with one simple quote from the Hebrew Word/Jewish Tanakh/all original OT’s of all Christian bibles. If you have a Latin Vulgate/Douay Rheims or KJV you can find it in many places of the OT.

    Christianity crumbles to the ground with this one statement:
    “Besides me there is no other Savior.”
    These are Gods words to Hosea and since they exist in all of the above works including those ‘you folks own’ you cannot dispute His words. To do so simply makes you a fool for practicing from a book you can not stand behind in all it says.

    God is God. God is the Savior. He says so. Who has the power to say He is wrong?

    Since Jesus is not the Savior, Christianity has fallen apart and crumbled as it should since it is a man made belief system without being condoned from God to exist. This single tent pole of Christianity has to exist for Christianity to exist. Without it, Christianity is just like Islam, Buddhism, Hindu’s, Krishna’s and so on.
    Just another man made religious belief system to hold man down.

    These words wore spoken by God to the Prophet Hosea and many others in the works noted above.

    God also says, in Your Bible, how Ridiculous mans psalms, songs, hymns, sacrifices and celebrations are and that he will turn his back on them because (get this ….)
    All he wants is a flow of justice and righteousness. Pretty simple to me.

    Man made religion has ruined this world. We just need God but no body gets it.

  176. About what Solomon said in that book you didn’t start from the beginning he said so will the unrighteous say, he wasn’t saying it buy himself but telling you what the unrighteous will say

    Then talking about the Aprocrypha books well they are still much about 13 of them in every catholic bibles so don’t blame the Vatican pope for removing it, it was removed because other church and Christians kicked against it because it a approves some of the catholic teaching such as purgatory and they dead praying for the living so do more research before you post

    Thank u

  177. all of those books are the Apocrypha which are still included in the catholic bibles. They are all false doctrines and were not considered as canon by the Jews so they were removed. Latin was not the original language of the Bible it was originally written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. NOT LATIN. That is the filter that the Catholics put on it, of course always corrupting everything because that is who they are. They are of the evil one.

  178. It was a prophecy of today and she was not virgin and Jesus is not what you think. She is very real and real followers know the truth cause is written I the hearts. I am what I am. I ain’t what I ain’t

  179. As for the story of this post, particularly “The Wisdom of Solomon.”

    I may be wrong, but it seems Solomon wrote it from a future third persons account on the minds of future men
    justifying killing GOD’s Son.

    In that aspect I saw nothing evil about it. It happened to be accurate IF that was his intention of the text.

    I dare not put words in King Solomon’s mouth, or GOD’s for that matter.

    I read a lot of posts that were going all over the place. I hope we are all seeking the purest form of a TRUTH not of men.

    If not we are self deceived and that makes the whole effort pointless it would seem.


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